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I did look on some trade directory to see if i could trace Joseph Lewis in Coventry or Birmingham but had no joy with that either.

1881
1881 England Census
about Joseph Jones
Name: Joseph Jones
Age: 62
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Bilston, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 19 Jamaica Row
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Tool Maker And Tobacconist
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Jones 62
Margaret Jones 60
Alfred Michael Jones 4
Rose Emily Ashfield 14

1861 England Census
about Joseph Jones
Name: Joseph Jones
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Bilston, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Kinfare
Ecclesiastical parish: Kinfare
County/Island: Staffordshire
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Kinfare
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Jones 41
Margaret Jones 41
Caroline Jones 9
Joseph Jones 7
Felix Jones 4
Thomas Ring 64
William Ralph 47

1851 England Census
about Joseph Jones
Name: Joseph Jones
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Bilston, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Town: Deritend and Bordesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 2c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Jones 30 , married, toolmaker

Damn, can't find them in 1871 which is when John Joseph should first appear on the census. Margaret might have been a bit old (49) to have had a child in 1868?

I too wondered about Joseph Jones re toolmaker and blacksmith. I did trace him back on the census but couldn't make a connection. Will look again.

Nudge just in case anymore ideas or if anyone knows someone who can help!

This is clutching at straws but wonder if the Joseph Jones in Jamaica row in 1881 tool maker/tobacconist is a mistranscribe
after all the Joseph Lewis was a blacksmith and tool maker is a metal worker! Im probably stretching the realms of fantasy a little far here with that one!
So im now thinking maybe John Lewis mother was unmarried and wed Joseph and took Lewis surname and that means i will never find him!

And look how Anastacia's birth is registered! Possibly a combination of a broad Irish accent and not being able to spell!

These Irish really do try us. My greatgrandfather's surname is spelt differently on his marriage cert to the way it is spelt in the church (RC) register and the family's surname is different on every census.

No dont be silly potty that is too simple for this side of family!! Lol! Bear in mind John Joseph Lewis wife is called Penelope but on Marriage, Death & birth certificates for children she uses variants of Penelope, Penella & Ellen!! Dont ya just love em?? !st marriage Penella, 2nd marriage Penelope, death certificate Penella its definatley her as signed by her daughter Anastacia and all childrens certicifates she is Ellen!!!

I don't suppose there is a house number for Jamiaca Row on the Army Record?

And he is driving me even pottier! Have tried every search I can think of but he just doesn't want to be found!

He is driving me nuts as must be on census somewhere!

The 2nd army papers state his previous service had been with 1st Battalion staffs cause of discharge termination of engagement.
1901 census he was in the reserves. I hired a researcher & she went to Kew & got the papers. I think it too much coincidence to be different Joseh Lewis' due to fathers name & both papers stating Coventry as place of birth. reg no 7210 John Lewis 3rd Battalion South Staffs is on top of papers attestation for the reserve division of the militia.

Just in case you want this and haven't found it, I think this could be Anastacia's birth reg:

Births Mar 1902 (>99%)
Lewis Statia Penella M Wolverhampton 6b 623

Blessed if I can find his papers for No 7210 Staffs reg.
Where were they?

Was he actually in the Army between 1900 and 1902 or was this the period between the two enlistments? Are you sure the two Army records are for the same man? Does the second one refer to his earlier service?

There is no Joseph Lewis living in Jamaica Row in 1881. There is a Joseph Jones. He is a toolmaker and tobacconist (odd combination!).

I think he was in South Africa 17th March 1900 to 14th Nov 1900 and was Home 15th Nov 1900 to 8th April 1902 and then went back to South Africa 9th April 1902 to 3rd Aug 1902.
Busy Man by looks of it!! Thats wahat it looks like at top of sheet anyway!

There were 3 John Lewis in staffs regiment. One joined after 1891 so it wasnt my gt grandad the other one had a brother listed as next of kin but when i traced them on census their father was not named Joseph so that left the John Lewis reg no 1995. The other army paper i have after wed wed Penelope has her as next of kin and his number is 7210 Staffs regiment.

On his papers on there it says he was in South Africa from 1900 to 1902 or am I reading it wrong?
And yet he is on census with Penelope on 1901 as a railway man?

Shazzlou,

John would not have had to convert to R.C. religion, but he would have to promise that their children would be brought up in the Catholic faith.
He may have converted to make it easier for the children,s sake.
Nowadays sometimes the children are brought up in both religions.
E.G. Mother is Catholic Father Non-Catholic.
Girls are brought up as Catholics, boys as Non-Catholic.
Lily.

Yes thats the one. Got both his army papers the one before his marriage & after cant find him on census anywhere apart from 1901 & 1911 in Wolverhampton after his marriage.

Chelsea pensioners on FMP

First name(s): John

Last name: LEWIS

Calculated year of birth: 1867

Parish of birth: Coventry

Town of birth: Coventry

County of birth: Warwickshire

Age at attestation: 19 years 11 months

Attestation date: 7 October 1886

Attestation corps: South Staffordshire Regiment

Attestation soldier number: 1995

The National Archives reference: WO97 / 5340 / 119