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Hi , My ggrand dad George William Smith 1873 - 1949 I cant find him in those 2 census. I got him in 1901 and 1911 by using his wife name. I know it is so common name!! I wonder if I get his death certificate will it help me more or not?
Thanks Val

Where did he say he was born on the 1901 census? What was his wife's name? Do you know when and where they married?

On 1901 Hampton, surrey and 1911 Kingston, surrey. It is only few miles different and they were living in Wapping, East London. They got married in 1895 in Wapping. She is Adelaide Alice Hobbs. I did wonder if George William is his real name? It was stated on his marriage certificate.
Val

What was his fathers name?.....that may make it easier to find him in 1881 and 1891


nicky

From marriage certificate it stated James Smith, Gardener

Is it this one?
Is he William George or George William??
Name: Ada Hobbs
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: William George Smith
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1895
Parish: St Peter, London Docks
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Charles William Hobbs
[Charles Willian Hobbs]
Spouse Father Name: James Smith Occ:Gardener


Maureen

I can't find that marriage on FreeBMD.

Yeah thats them,
Margaret, she sometime go by Adelaide Alice but real name is Alice Ada Hobbs

He is either William George or George William

Think this is it Margaret..

Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%)
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Bacon Sarah St. Geo. East 1c 612
Clark William St. Geo. East 1c 612
Noars_ Adelaide Alice St. Geo. East 1c 612
Nobbs Adelaide Alice St. Geo. East 1c 612
Smith William George St. Geo. East 1c 612




nicky

Think it must be William George...

this looks like his birth reg......

there are no George Williams in that timescale born Kingston


Births Sep 1873 (>99%)
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>>>>>Smith William George Kingston 2a 275
Smith William George St Olave 1d 272


Nicky

Nicky, Yeah thats one

His death is mar 1946 stepney 1c 208

Thank you to you all for help, I will get the birth certificate and hope it is the right one. I will keep looking for him in 1881 and 1891 census, maybe he is with relative rather than parents.

1891...Theres this one..

William Smith
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Smith
Mother's Name: Lucy Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingston, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Kingston
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
Town: Kingston
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Smith 58 Gardener.... born westerham Kent
Lucy Smith 60 born Hastings Kent
Alice Elizabeth Smith 31 Dressmaker
Phillis Smith 30
William Smith 22 Gardener
Alfred Smith 18 Proffesional Banjo maker teacher.
Lilia Dennis 53

Alice, Phillis, william and Alfred all born Kingston.


Nicky

Wow, it does look like them how did you managethat maybe cos I was trying too hard and miss it!!
Oh many thanks it is great

For reference ...the family in 1911..

SMITH, William G Head Married M 38 1873 General Labourer Kingston Surrey VIEW
SMITH, Adelaide A Wife Married
15 years F 36 1875 London St Georges E VIEW
SMITH, Ethel G Daughter F 14 1897 London St Georges E VIEW
SMITH, Maud E Daughter F 12 1899 School London St Georges E VIEW
SMITH, William A Son M 11 1900 School London Wapping VIEW
SMITH, Edward C Son M 9 1902 School London Wapping VIEW
SMITH, Mary J Daughter F 7 1904 London Wapping VIEW
SMITH, Adelaide A Daughter F 4 1907 London Wapping VIEW
SMITH, George A Son M 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 London St Georges E VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1526 Reference:
RG14PN1526 RG78PN53 RD19 SD1 ED28 SN183

Registration District:
St George in the East Sub District:
St George and St John Enumeration District:
28 Parish:
St George in the East

Address:
23 Imperial Buildings Old Gravel Lane London E County:
London



Nicky

Williams age is slightly out, but i put up all the family info as i thought the names may give a connection.

Who were the witnesses on their marriage cert? Was William a Gardner before he became a General Lab.?


Nicky

The same family in 1881...

James SMITH Head M Male 48 Limpsfield, Surrey, England Gardener
Lucy SMITH Wife M Female 50 Hastings, Sussex, England
Frederick SMITH Son U Male 22 Kingston, Surrey, England Gardener
Phillis SMITH Daur U Female 20 Kingston, Surrey, England
William SMITH Son Male 12 Kingston, Surrey, England Scholar
Emma SMITH Daur Female 10 Kingston, Surrey, England Scholar
Alfred SMITH Son Male 8 Kingston, Surrey, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling Anglesea Rd Choubra Stables
Census Place Kingston On Thames, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341197
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0836 / 46
Page Number 24

Don`t think this is the correct family as William is to old...


nicky

Nicky, Yeah thats the one I just didnt think of using william instead of George Oh you have made my day.

Corrinne, Thanks for the 1881 census

Heres James and 2 of the children from that same family in 1911...still nothing to confirm that he is the correct william Georges father.....

SMITH, James Head Widower M 78 1833 Gardener Domestic Kent Westerham VIEW
SMITH, Alice Elizabeth Daughter Single F 51 1860 Dressmaker Surrey Kingston VIEW
SMITH, Phillis Daughter Single F 50 1861 Surrey Kingston VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3507 Reference:
RG14PN3507 RG78PN131 RD40 SD2 ED10 SN233

Registration District:
Kingston Sub District:
Kingston Enumeration District:
10 Parish:
Kingston on Thames

Address:
29 Penrhyn Road Kingston County:
Surrey

Nicky

Thanks i will have look at the family search.

The witness to their marriage were George William HOBBS and Charlotte SMITH, it is similar to the faathers name!