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My 3x grandfather b.1866 in Caldicot and died 1915 at Luton appeared twice in the 1901 census, at home and also at a lodging house with a woman and child described as his wife and son?? In the 1911 census he appears yet again with another woman described as his wife of five years?? Although these women had adopted his surname there is no record of any marriages though. He died in 1915 but I cannot find any reference of a will in the national probate calendar. If there is no reference there, does that categorically mean there was no will or letter of administration that may help to identify these ladies?

I am afraid that it probably does. Mind you with all that apparent womanising he may not have had much to leave any way.

Have you seen his death certificate to see if whoever registered his death might give you any clues.

Marriages Mar 1888 (99%)
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POWELL Orlando Lambeth 1d 488
Reader Elizabeth Lambeth 1d 488
Saunders Charles Lambeth 1d 488
SOLLER Annetta Lambeth 1d 488



Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
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CRAWSHAW Sarah Jane Dewsbury 9b 1180
POWELL Orlando Dewsbury 9b 1180
PRESCOTT Rose Alma Dewsbury 9b 1180
WALKER Harrison Dewsbury 9b 1180

Is this him ?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Annetta Soller
[Bride's True Name Mary Annette Soller and Groom's Given Name Orlando Orlando Powell]
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Spouse Name: Orlands Powell (Professor of Music)
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Mar 1888
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Lambeth
County: Middlesex
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: John Henry Soller (Jeweller)
Spouse Father Name: Henry Powell (Druggist)



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint John The Evangelist, Lambeth, Register of marriages, P85/JNA3, Item 078


Address - 168 Shamford Street

Name: Orlando Powell
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Annetta Powell
Gender: Male
Where born: Wales

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Antholin
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 254
Household Members: Name Age
Orlando Powell 33
Annetta Powell 31
John Powell 9
Annetta Powell 8
Florence Powell 7
Frederick Powell 4 Months


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Person: POWELL, Orlands
Address: 113 Albert Street Camden Town London N W

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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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POWELL, Orlands Head Married M 45 1866 Musical Composer Chepstow Mormouth VIEW
POWELL, Lillian Wife F 30 1881 Portsmouth Hants VIEW

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Name: Orlando Powell
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mabel Powell
Gender: Male
Where born: Caldicote, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael Stockwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 62
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 233
Household Members: Name Age
Orlando Powell 32
Mabel Powell 22
Orlando Powell 1 Month
Isabel Powell 30

Births Jun 1888 (>99%)
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POWELL Orlando Lambeth 1d 327


Deaths Jun 1888 (>99%)
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POWELL Orlando 0 Lambeth 1d 171

1901
Name: Orlando Powell ..............musician
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mabel Powell
Gender: Male
Where born: Caldicote, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael Stockwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 62
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 233
Household Members: Name Age
Orlando Powell 32
Mabel Powell 22
Orlando Powell under 1 Month
Isabel Powell 30

If you could find a baby Orlando registered about that time,(b. Brixton ) you may find his mother's name.

Gwyn

Hello Guys

Sorry but just got off the phone. Yes all posts relate to him. His true wife was Mary Annette Soller. His Death cert shows the inofrmant as M .Hodges??? There is a child named Orlando about that time but does not fit. You could be right Jonesey, albeit it his true wife seems to have bought a house in Catford at the time of his death. Found an obituary but it does not mention details of family etc. Thanks for all your suggestions.

When I thought things couldn't get worse with this man, I discover a court attendance at Stratford Police Court reported in Reynolds newspaper 03/01/1892 where a single woman Martha Reeves brought a case against Orlando Powell; professor of music, for financial support for their illigimate child. Seemingly she was allegedly residing with her sister in Leyton. There is a Martha E Reeve on both the 1891 and 1901 census residing with her mother Jane E Reeve in Leyton, but no reference to a child of hers. Any ideas please how one can confirm the identity of this woman and her child.

This looks like the Orlando born in 1901 although there is no other person with this surname or is it seen again??

Name: Orlando Bellueci
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: St Saviour Southwark
County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 50 (click to see others on page)

Hi Jax

Have looked at that 1901 Orlando Bellueci before and not really been able to link him. The latest child dates back to 1892.

Tony

1891

Name: Jane E Reeves
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Mile End, London, England

Civil Parish: Leyton
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jane E Reeves 52
Margann Reeves 26
Martha E Reeves 24
Christiana C Reeves 20
Jepe A Reeves 17
Louie H Reeves 15
Alice E Reeves 11
John F Reeves 8
Alice I Tong 4


Alice Tong is grandaughter do you know who she belongs to? found her with parents on 1901 Jane E Tong

1901

TONG, James Alfred Head Married M 42 1859 Stamp Cutter Metal
Tottenham
Middlesex VIEW
TONG, Jane Elizabeth Wife Married F 39 1862
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
>>>>>TONG, Alice Jane Daughter F 14 1887
Tottenham
Middlesex VIEW
TONG, Ethel May Daughter F 12 1889
Tottenham
Middlesex VIEW
TONG, Hector Baden Son M 0 (8 MOS) 1901
Tottenham
Middlesex VIEW
TONG, Lily Grace Daughter F 4 1897
Tottenham
Middlesex VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1246 Folio:
95 Page:
4

Registration District:
Edmonton Sub District:
Tottenham Enumeration District:
4 Ecclesiastical Parish:
All Hallows

Civil Parish:
Tottenham Municipal Borough:
Address:
20, Wingmore Road, Tottenham County:
Middlesex



Marriages Dec 1885 (>99%)
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Reeve Jane Elizabeth W.Ham 4a 86
TONG James Alfred W. Ham 4a 86

HI Jax and Choccy

I had noticed the granddaughter Alice Tong myself and wondered whose child she was, but the info Choccy turned up re Jane Elizabeth Reeve being Tong's wife answers that, thank you. The piece in the Reynolds newspaper suggested that in 1892 Martha was living in Leyton; also in the 1901 with her mother and a few adult siblings
Tony

If the Child was born after the 1891 census it could have sadly died by 1901??

That Orlando born 1901 still interests me, as he is the only one I can see being born in the right area right time

jax

Hello Jax

Yes I realise that there was a possibility of the child dying, but according to the piece in the newspaper Martha Reeves gave evidence that she and Powell had been on intimate terms for 'some time' so the child needn't have been a baby, albeit there were no signs of the child on the 1891? I did try to do a follow up on Orlando Belueci and as far as I can remember he and his parents emigrated to the USA , but I didn't keep a record of my research.

Tony

I have just discovered a similarity in the names of the 'other' woman and her sister in the 1901 census purported to be Powell's wife and sister inlaw , with two women living in Camberwell in 1891. The 1891 census has a Mabel Sanger b Carlisle c1879 and her sister Isabella b Durham c1870. Apart from the surnames these women are identical. I can only see two females being born 1st qtr of 1901 whereas Mabel supposedly had a son. Neither Mabel or Isabella Sanger appear on the 1901 census in those names. I would appreciate it if anyone has access to the 1911 census if they could please do a look up for me on Mabel and Isabella Sanger, should there be a chance of ID a child. Thanks.

No obvious Mabel Sanger (from around Carlisle area and birth around 1879) or Isabella Sanger (from around Durham area and birth around 1879) showing on 1911.
Marriage?

Hi Patchem

Thank you for your reply. I have just been looking at the census of 1891 before coming back here as well as the BMD. Closer scrutiny of the census shows that the family surname was mis-transcribed and should have read Sawyer not Sanger. Their mother Jane Sawyer is still in Camberwell in 1901 shown to have been widowed with some of her children and Isabella's daughter Dora Baker. Isabella married Charles Baker in 1890. Neither Mabel or Isabella appear on the 1901 in their own names.

Tony