Genealogy Chat

Glad you got to the bottom of it Janette. I'm pleased that safc and I were able to help.

Kath. x

Just to let everyone who helped on this thread know I have since ordered William Henry's birth cert. which has arrived this morning!

Thanks both Safc and Kath for all you help.

Janette x

P.S Kath, confimring he was illigitmate as we thought.

Yes, I agree :) Thanks again for all your help!

Janette x

P.S. Safc, the site you suggested earlier is proving to be a real help! Thank you also.

I would think that he probably wasn't. I'm almost sure that if he was Teresa's husband's child from before the marriage then he would have taken on the Beale name.

Kath. x

I have now come the Library to acess Ancestry. It seems in 1891 William Henry Looms was living with his grandparents William and Maria Looms age 7. Whilst Teresa lived with Frederick Beale and thier family. But then is living with them in 1901. Would you agree this suggests William was not Frederick's son?

Janette x

Thank you for that site Safc I will be sure to use that for future reference :)

Also thank you Kath for looking at the census image this has answered a lot of questions.

And a great thanks to both of you for all your help this really has helped solve a problem I otherwise would not have especially as I was looking at a completely different family

Thanks again Janette x

Ancestry is a much better place to search in my opinion.

I have just looked at the 1901 image again and after Thomas Beale and Teresa Beale it has William H. Looms (transcribed as William V. Looms) and then says son with the letter "I" next to it. This probably stands for illegitimate.

Kath. x

hi
janette

this is where i got the info from

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start

Yes, I'm using the one on Genes.

Janette :)

p.s why would he be William V Looms and not William H Looms

On Ancestry there are 7 William Looms on the 1901 census.

I'm pretty sure that the one with Thomas and Teresa is yours if he was born Warwickshire.

Are you searching the census on Genes?
Kath. x

Yes that is the William i found largly because i cant find any other William Looms on the 1901 census which is something that puzzles me slightly.

He was definately born in Warwickshire. As it says so on the 1911 census by which time he was married to my great-grand mother the only time we can really be certain about him. His youngest daughter had also sugested he was born out of wedlock. Thank you ever so much for all your help both you and Safc.

Janette x

If the William you are looking for was definitely born in Attleborough then I think he is the one born out of wedlock to Teresa Looms.

He is then on the 1901 census with his mother and her husband Thomas Beale, whom Teresa married just after having William.

The William you found living with William and Rebecca was born in Sapcote.

Kath. x

Goodness why did they name children after thier parents so much, it is making this very confusing!

Janette x

Goodness this is very confusing it will take a while for me to get my head around this. Thankyou both for all your help :)

P.S Would that mean that William was born in wed lock? x

Name: Theresa Looms
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 27 Dec 1863
Baptism/Christening Place: ATTLEBOROUGH,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Looms
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Maria
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: K15355-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1067538
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Groom's Name: Frederick Thomas Beale
Groom's Birth Date: 1865
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 19
Bride's Name: Teresa Looms
Bride's Birth Date: 1864
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 20
Marriage Date: 14 Jul 1884
Marriage Place: Attleborough,Warwick,England
Groom's Father's Name: John Beale
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: William Looms
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M15355-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1067539
Reference Number:
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

I think you have the wrong William Henry Looms on the 1901 census. This one looks like the one from the baptism that safc found:-


1901 England Census about William V Looms
Name: William V Looms
[William H Looms]
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Beale
Mother's Name: Teresa Beale
Gender: Male
Where born: Attleborough, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members:
Name Age

Thomas Beale 36
Teresa Beale 37
William V Looms 17
Martha F Beale 15
George J Beale 14
Annie M Beale 12
Sydney Beale 10
Lily Beale 7
Albert Beale 5
William Looms 43
Ann Turville 54

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2868; Folio: 135; Page: 12.

Kath. x

????
Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%)
BEALE Frederick Thomas Nuneaton 6d 529
BEALE Fredrick Thomas Nuneaton 6d 529
Looms Teresa Nuneaton 6d 529

Is this his birth:-

Name: William Henry Looms
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Nuneaton
County: Leicestershire, Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 482

Possibly his father's birth:-

Name: William Henry Looms
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Nuneaton
County: Leicestershire, Warwickshire
Volume: 16
Page: 517

EDIT - after seeing the 1901 census I don't think William's father is William Henry Looms.
Kath. x