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Need look up in 1911 Census, trying to find occupants of Alice street Plymouth... Think 1 Alice Street. Names Florence Maud Cross, Possibly William Eke...need others as trying to find children
Many thanks
Angela

1911 census - address transcription
Address: 1 Alice St Plymouth

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Sched Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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217 CROSS, Arther G Head Widower M 69 1842 Dock Labourer Plymouth VIEW
217 EKE, William Son In Law Married M 25 1886 Dock Labourer Plymouth VIEW
217 EKE, Florence Daughter Married
2 years F 24 1887 Plymouth VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
12981 Reference:
RG14PN12981 RG78PN749 RD276 SD3 ED5 SN217

Registration District:
Plymouth Sub District:
Plymouth South West Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Plymouth

Address:
1 Alice St Plymouth County:
Devonshire



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Hi Ann,
Thanks but did they not mention any children in the Census or is it only over 18's ?
Thanks
Angela

Looking at the births in that area there do not seem to be any post 1911 Cross/Eke??

Hi Ann
No we could never find anything either, The son of Florence was my Father, his Step dad William Eke told us he was not the father, the Father was a sailor we believe...but we thought the records might reveal...guess we are still stumped as to our real name.
Thanks for your help.
Angela

So the birth cert of Florence son has no fathers name, so where is he in 1911??

Yes we have looked under Cross & Whitely which was another possibility.
According to Dad he thinks he was born 20th May 1909 but no records appear to exist to confirm or deny this.
Hence we were trying to find who lived in the house in Alice street or Lane.
1909 to 1911 is two years...they married in 1910 but Thomas was a toddler so could be 1909 or even 1908
Its been a mystery for many years. ;-(

Sept 1910 would make Dad (Thomas Harold) 16 months which would mean they basically got married on meeting if Dad (TH) was a toddler...depending on when Census was done he prob was 2 then.

??

Hi Angela,

The census 1911 was taken April 2nd. Angela can you just clarify:

Your dad was Thomas Harold born 1909?
You have not seen birth cert?

How did you know about Alice Street, was it on a document?

Annx

I'd be inclined to take out a sub for the 1911, eliminate all possible Thomas's living in Plymouth ( many have second names) and see who is left...then see where they are living and with whom.

Could this be a possible birth?

Births Jun 1909 (>99%)

CROSS Thomas A H T Wellington Som 5c 243

Edit, maybe not as this one appears to be on 1911 as Thomas Albert.

Christine

Yes Dad was known as Thomas Harold
Born as far as we were told 20/05/1909
Never seen Birth certificate
Alice Street is the name where my Mum remembers visiting Florence Maud Cross (Eke)
Florence was classed as a cripple...they never had any other children as far as we know

Whitely is the name William's wife Charlotte told Mum about.
She said William Eke was not the father, the father was a sailor called Whitely.
Charlotte married William after Florence died
Charlotte than married again after Williams death to Ted Nicholls (Presume Edward)

am not finding Florence with a father Arthur (or George) at all, in 1901 or 1891.

Florence seems to have died in March qtr 1956, age 72, so born 1884 by that reckoning, and William married Charlotte Williams later that year.

There is this birth:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Florence Maud Cross
Name: Florence Maud Cross
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Stoke Damerel
County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 315 (click to see others on page)

But there are other possibles as plain Florence.

I can only find a Florence M Cross of the right age as a servant in 1901.

I'm not finding any suitable marriage of Arthur either, and no sign on earlier censuses apart from 1871 a stoker aboard a ship at Devonport, single, born Devonport.

From the marriage certificate...
Date of marriage 2/7/1910
William Henry Eke age 23 years Bachelor Dock Porter from 35 Bath Street Plymouth, Father Alfred Eke Labourer
Florence Maud Cross 23 years Spinster, no profession.from 1 Alice street (Which confirmed Mums memory) Father Arthur George Cross Labourer

So this does not match with the birth year of 1883 ??

If you found a Florence M cross of right age in 1901 she would be 14 years does it give any other info ..say where she lived DOB etc

Year of death could be about right as William was remarried when he visited us in 1959

Don't konw if the Cross family originated from Devon or not...or who Florence Mum was.

Thank you i never knew what Charlottes surname was before she married Willaim Eke.

Hi Angela

I am thinking that Florence Maud may have lied about her age on marriage, as she was older than William. It was quite common for a woman to do that. And on her death in 1956, she is stated as 72. If it is the right death of course, but I can't find any other more suitable. You might have to purchase the certificate to prove that this was the death of the wife of William.

The Florence M I found in 1901 was born in 1881, so perhaps not right at all.

I just wish we could find Florence with her father, Arthur. Or find Arthur anywhere other than in 1871, single. Maybe he wasn't her father, maybe she was illegitimate and he married her mother later. But I can't find a reasonable marriage for him either, not around the time of Florence's supposed birth. There are a couple of Arthur G Crosses marrying in the early 1900s, but they wouldn't be Florence's mother, I don't think.

How do you know she was called Florence Maud?

There is an Arthur George Cross marrying a Florence May H Brooks in 1902. Too late, of course, to be likely.

I am running out of ideas.

Jan, any luck with the Whitely connection you thought you had found?

None of this is helping to find where your father was, born 1909, not on the 1911 census with his mother and supposed father at the time. Really odd.

But we don't know his surname, so we are stuck.

I hope somebody else comes along with a bright idea.

Margaret

Hi
Thanks for all your help and ideas so far.

I ordered a copy of the marriage certificate many years ago.

It states her name as Florence Maud Cross & Father Arthur George Cross

I also thought if i could trace Florence parents i would find something else but i had no luck there...i don't know that they came from Plymouth...they may have lived somewhere else before Alice street...is there any way of finding out who has lived in Alice street over the years so we have an idea if Florence was born in or out of Plymouth ?? or whether she lived somewhere else before moving in with her Father...or maybe he moved in with her??

1891
Image is Arthur G Cross.
Please note the address,this is the same family as on 1911.

CROSS, Arthur J Head Widower M 43 1848 Coal Porter
Devonport
Devonshire
CROSS, Edith Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Devonport
Devonshire
CROSS, Florence Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar
Devonport
Devonshire

Registration District:
Plymouth Sub District:
St Andrew Enumeration District:
14 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Peter

Civil Parish:
Plymouth Municipal Borough:
Plymouth Address:
2, Alice Street, Plymouth County:
Devonshire

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1901 for Edith ?

ANDREW, M A Head Widow F 65 1836
Devonport
Devonshire
CROSS, Edith Grand Daughter Single F 19 1882 General Servant
Devonport
Devonshire

Registration District:
East Stonehouse Sub District:
East Stonehouse Enumeration District:
3 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Goerge

Civil Parish:
East Stonehouse Municipal Borough:
Address:
12, Quarry Street, East Stonehouse County:
Devonshire

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1901 for Arthur George and Florence Cross

CROSS, George Head Widower M 50 1851 Dock Labourer
Devonport
Devonshire
CROSS, Florry Daughter F 16 1885 Tailoress
Devonport
Devonshire

Registration District:
Plymouth Sub District:
St Andrew Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Peter

Civil Parish:
Plymouth Municipal Borough:
Address:
83, King Street, Plymouth County:
Devonshire

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1881

CROSS, George Head Married M 35 1846 Naval Pensioner
Devonport
Devon
CROSS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 20 1861
Devonport
Devon
CROSS, Edith Daughter Single F 0 1881
Devonport
Devon

Registration District:
Stoke-Damerel Sub District:
St Aubyn Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Devonport Stoke-Damerel Municipal Borough:
Address:
6, Back Of James St, Devonport Stoke-Damerel County:
Devonshire


Births Dec 1880
CROSS Edith Mary Stoke D. 5b 335


Births Sep 1883
CROSS Florence Maud Stoke D. 5b 315


Deaths Mar 1887
Cross Elizabeth Ann 24 Plymouth 5b 222

Births Sep 1909
Felton Thomas Harold Plymouth 5b 219

There is no death for this birth and he is not on 1911 that I can see.

Just working on the assumption that he may have kept his birth christian names.

Fanny BG,

I saw that one and think you may be on to something, there are only a couple of Thomas Harolds and very few Thomas H born Devonshire 1908/10.

Was also thinking another route to go would be the records office for a baptism record........looking first in district the family are located in 1911.......did the mothe rmarry in church if so could be the same one

Annx