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PLEASE............has anyone any suggestions-
My Gt Gt Grandad is on the 1861 census as being born in c1828 in Bewdley Worcs, this is the first census he appears in, married with three children (i can track him forward from there)
Now-this where the fun starts,
There is no record of him being born in Bewdley, i have had two professional geneologists trying to find him with no luck.
There are six variations of his surname, and i dont know if he was registered with any one of these variants (thats if he was registered at all).
I think i know his fathers/ mothers christian name, but not her maiden name, she was born in Kidderminster.
If i go to the archives-i'm looking for someone who-
I dont know where he was born
I dont know where/when he was married-maybe Kidderminster?
Have tried Ancestry/ G/U/Family search/rootsweb.
Has anyone any idea of another free site that would go back that far that could give me the missing link i need to trace his family.
I would be eternally grateful of any suggestions and could give full details if required.
Thank you
Jean

well b 1828 he wont be registered the best you can hope for is his baptism record .have you tried family search site

Shirley,
I have been on the family record search site, is that the same as family search?

Hi Georgygirl,

Have you tried all varients of his surname spelling and those that sound like it?
Think about accents and how a surname may be spelt with different accents. I found my family under the following varients Coin / Koyne/ Coyne/ Kind and Roind. And yes they are the same family.

You could give us the details and see if any on here can help.

Regards, Lou

Me again,
Just done a search on family search/family search records,
nothing there, there is a death in 1834 Kidderminster for who i think could be his father,
Not sure if that would help me though.
Jean

Put the details on here and we will try to help.

He gives his place of birth as Bewdley

Well that could just be the place he remembered as having being brought up in... Not where he was actually born.

I was always taught that I should investigate parishes within a 20 mile radius of a 'suggested' birthplace....Working from the named parish and moving out...Did the two professional geneologists you employed do something similar?

Using Parloc

http://www.parloc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

A 20 mile radius gives 343 parishes.

But you can use the 'List parishes within a radius of' facility to hopefully narrow it down.

Chris

Please bear with me, i've typed the details twice, pressed preview and its disappeared on both occasions, so thats an whole hour wasted.
Need to go to bed now, i have to get up early, but will put details on as soon i get back home tomorrow evening. wont press preview button next time.
Thanks for your patience
Talk Tomorrow
Jean x

Hello everyone, firstly, thank you all for your replies,
Chris-i think the two experts just concentrated on Bewdley registrations, as that was all i asked them to do, i will try the site you suggested.
These are all the details i have so far,
John Carigan (Callaghan) c1828-1904 born Bewdley? as on the 1861 census
Married to Sarah Stanley c1833-c1898 born Kidderminster.
Marriage 1851 Bridgnorth, registered as Caragan
Children-
Hannah Corragan 1853 born kidderminster
Mary Carragan 1855 born Kidderminster
John Corragon 1856 born Dudley
I have details from John and Sarahs first childs birth certificate. (Hannah)

Hannahs birth was registered by Johns mother also Hannah, (maiden name unknown)

I have found a death for a William Carigan 1834 Kidderminster-could be Johns father? as there is a William in every generation onwards

John and Sarah then move to Dudley Worcs after the birth of Mary, they remain there until their deaths.

Variations of the name "Callaghan"
Carrigan/ Carigan/Carragan/Corragon/Corrogon/Callagan/Caragan/Coragan/Callahan

Have also tried replacing the C with a K.

I thought of sending for John and Hannahs marriage certificate but it wont give me any more information about his family but if anyone thinks it will help, i will.
Thank You
Jean

Groom's Name: John Carrigan
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Sarah Stanley
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 28 Dec 1851
Marriage Place: St. Leonards, Bridgnorth, Shropshire, England
Groom's Father's Name: William Carrigan
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Thomas Stanley
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01878-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1526892
Reference Number: Pg 100, No 200
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

I think this could be him in 1841 but it doesn't really help.

Address is Catchem's End which is Bewdley.


1841 England Census
about John Cadogan
Name: John Cadogan
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Gender: Male
Where born: Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Kidderminster
Hundred: Halfshire (Lower Division)
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Kidderminster
Sub-registration district: Kidderminster
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Cadogan 15
John Cadogan 12
Phoebe Cadogan 10

Christine

Baptism for Phoebe.

PHOEBE CADOGAN Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
06 OCT 1830 Ribbesford, Worcester, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM CADOGAN Family
Mother: MARY ANN

Ribbesford is between Bewdley and Stourport.

Christine

Possible marriage for the parents.


WILLIAM CADOGAN Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: MARY ANNE LEWIS Family
Marriage:
16 NOV 1823 Pensax, Worcester, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Pensax is 7 miles from Bewdley.

Christine

Safc.
Yes you are spot on, John is my gt gt Grandfather, i have that info from the 1861 census onwards, its Johns siblings and parents William and Hannah i cannot find. Even if it was my William who died in 1834, we know Hannah was alive in 1853 because she registered grandaughers birth, no sign of her in the 1841/1851 census, (i have tracked Sarah Stanleys family back to 1763)

Christine,
Sadly its not him, as that William is married to Mary Anne
Lewis, thats the one my "experts" found, (you should turn profesional finding that one.)

Sorry-sent that before i had finished writing,
Just wondering if i have missed something that is staring me in the face, cant see the wood for the trees syndrome.
I am so grateful you have all given me your time and help, i'll keep plodding on regardless,
many thanks
Jean

Does the birth cert actually state that Hannah who registered the birth is the grandmother?

What are the addresses on the marriage cert and birth of Hannah?

Christine

Yes it does Christine, it reads- x-the mark of Hannah Carragon, Mother, Mill St, Kidderminster.
This is also the address where baby Hannah was born.

Does the certificate state Sarah is the mother of the child?

I would take your information to read that the baby's mother registered the child's birth.


Gwyn

If the cert states Hannah, mother then Hannah should mean the mother of the child.

I think a mistake was made with the mother's name.

If Hannah was John's mother it would state grandmother for the informant.

I have been looking at the image again for 1841 and the Cadogan children were in the same household as.

John Lane 35
Mary Ann Lane 35
Charles 5
Sarah 2.

I think that probably William died and Mary Ann then married John Lane.

The 1841 doesn't give relationships.

Here are the same family in 1851 at the same address.


1851 England Census
about Mary Lane
Name: Mary Lane
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1804
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitbourne, Herefordshire, England

Civil parish: Kidderminster
Ecclesiastical parish: Wribbenhall
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England


Registration district: Kidderminster
Sub-registration district: Kidderminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 2f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Lane 49
Mary Lane 47
Sarah Lane 14
Charles Lane 12
Betsey Lane 5


Christine

I am a bit confused on this. You have the birth certificate of Hannah Corrigan born 1853. There is a space on the certificate for Name, Surname and Maiden Surname of mother. What does it say there? Presumably Sarah Corrigan formerly Stanley - is that right?

And later there is a space for the informant of the birth, what exactly does that say? You imply that it says Hannah, mother. Hannah who? What is her surname? Corrigan? Stanley?

Please clarify, or I am stuck!!!