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looking for ways to trace my grandads birth ,on 19 -12-1901 in liverpool workhouse ,his name was frederick hamilton , thanks fred

This looks like his birth registration, from Free BMD.

Births Dec 1901 (>99%)
Hamilton Frederick Liverpool 8b 103

Christine

is this him ?


HAMILTON, Alfred Head Married M 52 1859 Police Constable Bedfordshire Luton VIEW
HAMILTON, Emily Wife Married
24 years F 46 1865 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
HAMILTON, Emily Daughter Single F 23 1888 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
HAMILTON, Mary Daughter Single F 21 1890 Labeller Lancs Liverpool VIEW
HAMILTON, Charlotte Daughter Single F 16 1895 Dressmakers Apprentice Lancs Liverpool VIEW
HAMILTON, Alfred Son M 13 1898 School Lancs Liverpool VIEW
*****HAMILTON, Fred Son M 10 1901 School Lancs Liverpool VIEW
HAMILTON, William Son M 7 1904 School Lancs Liverpool VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22569 Reference:
RG14PN22569 RG78PN1326 RD455 SD9 ED17 SN62

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
West Derby Western Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
West Derby

Address:
64 Mansell Road Liverpool County:
Lancashire

There's also this one in 1911 but I can't view the details, age fits with a Dec 1901 birth.

HOUSEHOLD HAMILTON FREDRICK M 1902 9 West Derby Lancashire

Christine

this is it Christine:

1911 census transcription details for: Lodge 15 Skimmin St Liverpool

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN22589 RG78PN1326 RD455 SD9 ED37 SN85


Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: West Derby Western
Parish: West Derby Enum. District: 37

Address: Lodge 15 Skimmin St Liverpool
County: Lancashire


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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HAMILTON, Butt Head Widow F 42 1869 Charwoman Aldershot

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HAMILTON, Fredrick Son M 9 1902 School Liverpool Lancs

image is Ruth Hamilton living in 2 rooms. Had been married 19 yrs 6 children, 4 died

Thanks Jennifer for adding the details, just need Frederick to come back to te thread now.

Christine

Yes Christine, I have posted a few others today and had no feed back so think the posters must be new and perhaps expect to get a personal message, not realising they have to check their threads.

Has been very HOT here, as hot as Portugal I should think, but looks like rain may be imminent. We certainly need it.

Regards Jennifer

hi sorry taken a while to answer sons wed been loaded with visiters . you have mentioned a ruth i have been told there was a ruth nairn mentioned on his marriage cert thanks fred

thanks i have a birth cert but they sent 8b 108 which dos,nt match with what i have been told ,sorry i have taken a while to answer been busy with family wed visitors thanks fred

sorry chocky been busy with family visitors sons wed ,the fred you mention is not his father his father was a travelling salesman thanks fred

Hi Fred,

What information have you been told, ie Father's name?

Can you post the details from the birth cert you have please, is it the one I posted 8b 103?

Where did you get his actual birth date and place from?

Christine

hi christine no the one they sent was 8b 108 on it his father is george i have been told by family that his fathers name was also frederick, my grandad fred had a sister /half sis named olga born1899, according to rutland belle she mentions a ruth hamilton ,there has been a mention of a ruth nairn on his marriage cert ,. hope this helps fred h

Hi Fred, why don't you try and get the birth cert that Christine found for you.

Births Dec 1901 Hamilton Frederick Liverpool 8b 103

What I would do is contact the Liverpool Reg Office and explain your problem. I have contacted many offices, given them some details and asked if they can confirm that they have the record. As you have a name, dob and you say born in the Workhouse then that should narrow things down a bit. King's Lynn recently found me a marriage , it took then a while but I got the right one in the end

The Register Office, The Cotton Exchange, Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L3 9UF.
Tel: 0151 233 3004. Fax: 0151 233 4944.
E-mail: [email protected]

Jennifer

PS Many women who were unsupprted gave birth in the Workhouse Hospital as it was a safe place. It didn't necessarily mean they were in the workhouse. The births were registered by the Master of Workhouse

thanks jennifer for all your help fred

Your welcome Fred,

Another thought you could try contacting:


•Liverpool Record Office and Local History Service, Central Library, William Brown Street, Liverpool L3 8EW.

who have the following records regarding Liverpool Workhouse:
◦Guardians' minutes (1852-1922)
◦Brownlow Workhouse — Admissions (1869-1925); Births (1841-1914); Baptisms (1831-58, 1874-1928); Deaths (1914-24); Creed register (1841-1928); etc.
◦Kirkdale Industrial School— Admissions and discharges (1862-1965); Classification registers (1845-97); Creed register (1869-1904).
◦Kirkdale Homes — Creed registers (1913-1969); Registers of deaths (1924-1971).

http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Leisure_and_culture/Libraries_and_archives/index.asp

My g gran had her 10 children (born between 1901 and 1924) in the workhouse, as the doctor was free!!!
Also, by 1900, some workhouses had a 'proper' hospital, separate from, but within the grounds of the workhouse.

Hi Fred,

The birth cert you have could possibly be the one I posted as I have just checked the image and it could be 108. There is no other birth registered for Frederick Hamilton 8b 108.

Do you have his marriage cert and his death cert? The death cert may give his actual birth date.

Sometimes family stories are not always correct. Can you check on the sister or half sister Olga?


Christine

hi christine the marriage cert is supposed to read dad frederick mum ruth nairn , the problem i have is the only olga i can find is a olga nairn born 1899 to a elllen nairn tegid rd livirpool ,the cert i wanted was 8b 103 but was sent 108 , olga married a trinidadian sailor who died on a merchant ship during ww2 thanks fred

thanks belle i have been trying to move my liverpool connection for a year i have disheartened that i cant move on this part of the puzzle i appreciate everyones help thanks fred

Fred,

Not sure what you mean by they sent you "108". There's no 108 to be sent.

What was the date of birth on the one you received?

Rose