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My 3x grandfather Thomas Thorne born c1791 and listed as Thoren on the 1841 census is shown as being born outside the county of Sussex. He was a plasterer as were his son and his son alike. Thomas married Elizabeth Shellitoe in 1817 at All Saints Hastings. I have been given advice before on GR but is there any logical way to trace their origins if born elsewhere than Sussex?? I have heard about settlement papers but would they have applied to everybody moving into a large town like Hastings>

Have you found his death? Or have you checked 1851 onwards to see if he survived a bit longer maybe?

You could try sussexweald - it doesn't cover the whole of Sussex but it might help ...

Don't forget that the 1841 rounded down the ages to the nearest 5 years - so he could have been born somewhere between 1787 and 1791.

Jill

Jill
I have not found anything else on him after the 1841 census. Thank you for reminding me of the birth date being rounded down. It is easy to overlook that.

It looks as if he's widowed in the 1841.

Have you managed to track any of his children ... it's possible that he ended up living with one of them as he grew older.

I can't see an obvious death date but there are quite a list in Sussex before 1866 so he could be any of those. And he could have died anywhere really. Plus, registration was not compulsory until 1865ish (even for deaths!).

Could be worth check parish records for burials for the area he was in in the 1841 ... if you can't find him that might mean he was alive post 1851 ...

Jill

Jill

Hi Jill

I know of his son William Thomas, but will certainly take a look at the others thank you. Do you know anything about settlement papers in those days?

No Anthony - afraid I don't know much at all about them ... but sounds like it could be worth following up.

Jill

Anthony i`d take a look at the East sussex Records office, it says 90% of their records can be obtained electronically, so maybe they will have something for you..

www.eastsussex.gov.uk


Nicky

Here's a site for settlement papers information. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~englin/poorsettlement.htm

"Settlement papers contain details of every event having a bearing on settlement, from cradle to present circumstances, age, parentage, birthplace, apprenticeship, employment, marriage, names, ages of children, etc. were all written down. They were kept by the parish (normally in the Parish Chest) as evidence of settlement someplace else." (Meaning the parish they moved from.)

So if they were kept in the Parish Chest then if the papers were still around they would be stored where each individual parish has archived their records.

However you don't know which parish he came from, and unless there was any need to take up an issue with him such as being a pauper and a burden on the parish he was living in I doubt that you'll be able to find out that way.

Ozi

Thanks Jill, Nicky and Ozi

As far as I can tell it is for moving from and to any parish, but of course not everyone got them.

Ozi

Did he marry in Hastings? If you're lucky the parish marriage record may have where he is from.

Ozi

Update: Just re-read your first post and he was married in Hastings. Have you had a look at the original record?

Ozi

Have seen the PR regarding the marriage but it shows little, his and her name and witnesses only and of course his profession

Have you succesfully traced all his children and maybe siblings if you know of any through all the census`s?

Sometimes they can be with a grandparent or other family member which may be a clue to where they originated from...



Nicky

Hi Nicky

Have traced a few of them, all following the trade of their father, a couple in London, one in Hasting who appears in several census and also historical directories. But no trace of Thomas their father after 1841 and an entry in the 1839 directory

Thanks for all the suggestions. Think I will book to visit the PRO at Lewes and root through some of the PR's. May at least find the burials of Thomas and his wife Elizabeth??

you also have two postings on the same thing on Trying to Find - this is just not on Anthony - not allowed by GR to have more than one posting on the same family/person

birth: 23 Mar 1789
residence: London, England
parents: Richard Thorne, Elizabeth

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Thomas Thorne
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 03 May 1789
baptism/christening place: SAINT MARY-ST MARYLEBONE ROAD,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 23 Mar 1789
father's name: Richard Thorne
mother's name: Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: C03524-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 580906

parents possibly?


AARON SILLITOE Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: ANN JONES Family
Marriage: 11 JUN 1786 Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England
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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Thank you for your advice and direction Ann. There are Shellitoes in the St Marylebone area but none with children with the name Elizabeth Mary. I have already linked Richard Thorne and Elizabeth Lee as probable parents for Thomas. Think I'll put this one to sleep and I had better avoid these boards.

Anthony

Anthony, don't avoid the boards because of one little mistake that many, many, MANY people make.

There are lots of people willing to help. AGG gave you the tip about not having more than one thread for the same family/individual, but was still finding you leads to follow.

Ozi