Genealogy Chat

Well this looks to be the same family but in 1861..


Piece: RG9/2130 Place: Ladywood -Warwickshire Enumeration District: 13
Civil Parish: Ladywood Ecclesiastical Parish: St Barnabas
Folio: 7 Page: 7 Schedule: 34
Address: 18 Crt Bk 52 Grosvenor St W



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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ROATH Jane Head W F 48 Laundress Warwickshire - Birmingham
ROATH Mary A. Dau U F 28 Burnisher Warwickshire - Birmingham
ROATH George Son U M 20 Metal Smith Wales - -
ROATH Charles Son U M 17 Tin Plate Worker Wales - -
ROATH William Son U M 10 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
ROATH Henry Grnson U M 4 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham


Seems to confirm William IS Janes son.
Does the address match up with Johns marriage cert. from 1857 to Rosanna?

Nicky

HAve to go out now til tonight. Will work on that one Nicky,
Thanks
Jill

If the James Roath death you have found in 1847 is him, then he`s obviously not the father of william 9 months on the 1851 census...Wonder if he`s the son of daughter Mary Ann age 18....sorry havn`t got Census access at the moment so can`t check the image....Is there anyone else who could do that please?

Another way may be to track the mother Jane Roath through the census up till her death, and then order the cert.....it may say wife/widow of James Roath .


Nicky

I've found a death for James in 1847. But I'm not really in my thinking mode at the moment as I have to go out soon an won't be back till tonight.
Jill

Hi Jill,

Yes I think the baptisms I gave you do match the family you have found in 1851, but wether that is YOUR John and his family I don`t know.

Do you know John mothers maiden name? if so the birth cert. of one of the younger children would confirm it.

Also I notice on that census that youngest child William is only 9 months old.......does that match up to father James death being in the previous 18 months?
Are the family on the 1841 census?

The only other explanation I can come up with is that John James Roath born and baptised 1833/1834 died by 1837, and then there was another son born c1837 who they gave the same name to.....that was very common practice......

I think you need to try and get a look at the ST Philips records and see if you can find the john born 1837 on them.



Nicky

Sorry, Nicky, I was called away last night and then went to bed.
Thank you again for your last posting. I think that is most likely the family, but if it IS the right John he never used the middle name again and always gave a birth date of some 4-5 years later, so I'm not sure that is final proof he is one and the same John. What do you think?
If you are right about the siblings that would link up with other Roaths in Birmingham.
It was also probably the Jane Roath (wid) who appeared on the 1851 census with
Mary Ann 18,
Richard, 15,
John 13, (Who were all burnishers as 'my' John was throughout his recorded life) also
George 9,
CHarles 6,
William 9mth

What do you think?
thanks again
Jill

These are all the children baptised between 1830 and 1837 born to James and Jane Roath....i also found a possible marriage for them in 1830.

Could these others be his siblings??

. RICHARD ROATH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 AUG 1836 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England

2. JANE ROATH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 30 DEC 1834 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England

3. MARY ANN ROATH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 30 DEC 1834 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England

4. JOHN JAMES ROATH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 DEC 1834 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England



Nicky

I think I am going to have to resort to Parish records to find John, but I did want to try and pin him down a bit more. I did wonder if he had knocked a few years off his age and was actually born in 1833. Although the ages are consistent in all the records.
My grandfather. Bert Roath, didn't know his age or his birthday until he sent for his birth cert to claim his pension.
Jill

Yes, Dessey Rosanna was my grandfather's sister!
She was the daughter of George Roath, son of John.
Jill

possible 1901
1901 census
1901 census record for household of Harold Roath
Address 26 Alma St
Civil Parish Aston Manor
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish Lozells St Pauls
Parliamentary Borough or Division Aston Manor
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Aston Manor
Administrative County Warwick
Householder 1
Name Sarah Lloyd
Relation to Head of Family Boarder
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 23
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Bristle Maker
Employment Status
Where Born Warwicks Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Harold Roath
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 18
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Iron Polisher
Employment Status
Where Born Warwicks Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name John Roath
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Widower
Age Last Birthday 49
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Metal Spinner
Employment Status
Where Born Warwicks Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Ollive Roath
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 15
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Warehouse Girl
Employment Status
Where Born Warwicks Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Wallace Roath
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 23
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation ...
Employment Status
Where Born Warwicks Birmingham
Language
Infirmity



they may have got johns age wrong will look on census image

So whos child is this then? She has the names of his 1st 2 wives....!!! How weird is that??

Births Mar 1884 (>99%)
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Roath Dessey Rosanna Birmingham 6d 125



Nicky

Well, that's a thought! I hadn't followed the Harriet marriage at all as my line came through his first wife, Rosanna via George Roath. But I bet youre right about ANOTHER marriage. I must get round to counting all his children by four wives.

Hi is this the 1891 census you have
1891 census

Name Ellen Roath
Age 39
Estimated Year of Birth 1852
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Address 26, Alma Street
District Aston, Aston Manor
Parish Aston
Administrative County Warwickshire
Birth Place Ledbury
Birth County Herefordshire
in house
john head 48 ( cotton spinner )
ellen wife 39
stanley son 11
harold son 8
olive daughter 5
mary couldstone mother widow 67
RG 12 / 2431

Ellen couldn`t have been a 4th wife could she??

Looks like this could be Harriets death. or do you have her with John in 1891 and 1901?

Deaths Mar 1886 (>99%)
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Roath Harriet 38 Birmingham 6d 17
ROATH Harriet 38 Birmingham 6d 47



Nicky

I don't think so Nicky. That family are on the 1891 census with a wife called Ellen who hasn't shown on my radar yet.

Yes - John married Harriet in 1877

So your not sure the 1911 entry I gave is him ?

Is Stanley the Coachman in 1911, not the same one in 1881 age 1?



Nicky

So this is him in 1881 then?

John ROATH Head M Male 40 Birmingham, Warwick, England Copper Burnisher
Harriett ROATH Wife M Female 33 Ledbury, Hereford, England
Wallace ROATH Son Male 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England
Stanley ROATH Son Male 1 Birmingham, Warwick, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 26 Arsenal St
Census Place Aston, Warwick, England
Family History Library Film 1341722
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3024 / 73
Page Number 5



Nicky

Sorry Gwyn, I forgot to say his father was James - hence I was alerted by the IGI of John son of James and Jane but the birth date was earlier.

That's the one,PollyPoppet!

His marriage cert. will give his fathers name....Have you located him in 1841 and 1851 with his parents? Maybe the age given will help you narrow down the search if it is consistent with 1837 like the others...



Nicky