Genealogy Chat

Bummer. I hadn't noticed a page was missing. I was so intent on the info.

Well anyway it definitely says Rattlesden. Still having no luck finding him in 1901.

Ozi

Page 3 is missing from Ancestry. Must be missing from Findmypast and this site too.

Rose

I have just realised that access to The Genealogist site is by subscription, I must have had a tab open when I used it before....but Orlando is definately on there Ozi

Regards....Tim

Hi Ozi
Reference number on 1871 census page is RG10/1721 number 71 page 3

Google 1871 census
click on UK Census 1841-1901
click on Free Search...blue tab on R H Side
you are now on The Genealogist web site
enter Joseph King 1813 and event group 1871 census
select Suffolk which has 3 Joseph King
select our man the Boot Maker born Long Melford
Granted John has been called Mary but that is just a "typo" in transcription
Regards.....Tim

Well, Tim, I've just read all the images for Preston 1871 (11 pages) and there is only one King for the whole village, and he's a James. There are only 3-4 grandsons, none named John, and no grand daughters at all. So I don't know where you've got your info.

Also a William Cuthbert is the only person born in Rattlesden and nobody at all born in Melford, Long or otherwise.

There are tailors, dressmakers and glovers, but no bootmaker, shoemaker, cordwainer or cobbler. The villagers had to go elsewhere for their shoes.

Have you got a copy of the image? If so please give us the page number.

Ozi

In the 1871 census in Preston Street, Preston, Suffolk

Joseph King ...head...58....Boot maker......Long Melford
Mary Ann..........wife....61..............................Preston
John Orlando...G/son..9.......scholar............Rattlesden
Mary Ann..........G/daught......scholar............Rattlesden

John seemed to be his prefered name as I have a couple of letters from 1930 signed by him and his wife Mary when they were in Twickenham

Regards....Tim

I can find no sign of him either.

Ozi

Can't see him on Ancestry. What's the piece and folio?

Rose

Yes Ozi, in 1871 he was staying with his grandparents, and sister Mary Ann, in Preston Suffolk (Joseph & Mary Ann King) not the Jacksons as I said in the previous message.

His birth place is recorded as Rattlesden.

Regards....Tim

Tim, I repeat my question, Have you found Orlando in 1871? If so where does it say he was born?

Ozi

Ozi and Choccy

The Elijah from Bury MAY be a relative but a distant one!!
In 1871 Elijah and his sister were staying at the grandparents farm, Angelinas parents .

Thank you all for your input and info

Regards....Tim

I was thinking that Orlando John King was the son of Elijah and Angelina, but that he was probably with relatives or at school in 1871 (after the death of his mother and re-marriage of Elijah to Matilda) and mis-transcribed elsewhere.

I agree, Choccy. I think Elijah may be a relative, but not his father.

Ozi

Marriages Jun 1861 (>99%)
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Jackson Angelina Sabina Cosford 4a 607
King Elijah Cosford 4a 607



Deaths Dec 1869 (>99%)
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King Angelina Sabina 30 Cosford 4a 310



Marriages Dec 1870 (>99%)
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KING Elijah Bury St.E. 4a 1022
PERKINS Matilda Kate Bury St Edmunds 4a 1022




no sign of Orlando John -

1871 England Census
Name: Elijah King
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Matilda K
Gender: Male
Where born: Preston; St Mary, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Rattlesden
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Stow
Sub-registration district: Rattlesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members: Name Age
Elijah King 38
Matilda K King 33
Kate P King 12
Charles P King 11
Ellen P King 9
Emma L King 5




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1732; Folio: 94; Page: 20; GSU roll: 830770.

Have you found him in 1871?

Cannot find a likely suspect in 1901 at all, either born Rattlesden or Preston.

Ozi

1871 England Census
Name: Mary Jane Townshend
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frederick
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Richmond, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Richmond
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address: 1 Crofton Terrace
Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Townshend 40 - Carpenter & Joiner; Richmond
Elizabeth Townshend 35 - Hereford
Marie Townshend 14 - Richmond
Henry Townshend 12 - Hereford
George Townshend 10
Elizabeth Townshend 8
Mary Jane Townshend 2
Mary Jane Townshend 1 day [This child doesn't actually have a first name.]

All other children born Richmond.

Seems to fit.

Marriages Sep 1899
Boswell William Charles Richmond, S. 2a 942
Dobbie Alexander Callendar Richmond S. 2a 942
Kember Sara Alice Richmond, S. 2a 942
Townsend Mary Jane Richmond, S. 2a 942

Sorry, missed Choccy's find.
Ozi

He married as Harry John?

Marriages Sep 1906
DOBBIE Mary Fulham 1a 803
King Harry John Fulham 1a 803

Rose

Thanks Choccy and Ann, thats filling in a bit more info.

Regards.....Tim