Genealogy Chat

Having had a lookI would say its the 30th going by the one below 'th' writing is very small though

Thanks Jax
Eliza's twin Andrew George Prior has a deffinate 30 at the side of it --Eliza's looks like 31 to me--although I agree there wouldn't have been a 31st of September lol.
Cheers
Barbara

EDIT I am looking on the right hand side of the image--the actual BIRTH DATE (not the Baptism date which is the 30th March)

Thank you ladies for all your help :)

I am wondering about the death of George Prior in 1895 being correct as I have found census in 1901 for Andrew and Louisa (well a possible) There is a Louisa Prior (1886) in a home in Camberwell and an Andrew Prior (1889) in a home in Tattenhall in Cheshire. I wondered about it being so far from home, but it does say he came from Stepney. So if their father died, it could be why. Still can't find Jane though or twin Elizabeth (Eliza).
What do you think of the census for the homes?
I would appreciate your opinion when and if you have the time.

Thanks again

Maggie

Hi Maggie

Yes I think Andrew was in Cheshire

and Louisa Elizabeth was the right one (I think) she was living back with her mum in 1911

Eliza with her mother in 1901 --as SG found ( although it says age 9 --and maybe should have been 10 or 11)

So still Jane and Mary Ann to find !!

Will go for another look around

Best wishes
Barbara xx

What do you think of this Mary in 1901 ??

1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: Mary Prior
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England

Civil parish: Southgate
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Palmers green Villas

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 181
Household Members: Name Age
Charles A Beckingham 51
Frances H Beckingham 52
Charles H Beckingham 18
Arthur Beckingham 15
Dorothy Beckingham 11
Mary Prior 19---servant

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1268; Folio: 103; Page: 28.

Thanks Barbara, a good one I think.

But I have had a think about this John, son to Jane in 1901, after her husband George had died in 1895. hmmm, see what I mean ? Could have happened I suppose !

Maggie

Wnoder if this is Jane in 1911 census ??

Marridge index

December (quarter) 1907
Jane Prior
George Richard Hostler
St George in The East 1c 573

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1911 census transcription details for: 58 Dean St St Georges E

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN1514 RG78PN53 RD19 SD1 ED16 SN259


Reg. District: St George in the East Sub District: St George and St John
Parish: St George in the East Enum. District: 16

Address: 58 Dean St St Georges E
County: London


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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HOSTLER, George Richard Head Married
4 years M 25 1886 Carman London Stepney E

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HOSTLER, Jane Wife Married 4 years F 25 1886 London Stepney E

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HOSTLER, Juila Jane Daughter Married F 2 1909 London Stepney E

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HOSTLER, Thomas George Son Married M 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 London Stepney E

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Hi, thanks Barbara, another possibilty, a remarriage.

Going to print all this out and have a study

I thank you again for all your help.
Maggie :)

Sorry Maggie I meant Jane --the daughter of Jane and george--maybe the one who married Mr Hostler !! not a remarriage for Jane the mum.

Barbara x

Thanks Barbara, my mistake, should have read it properly, just got so excited..lol

Thanks for all your help

Maggie x

You are welcome, Maggie, but they are only "might be's" and "maybe's" they really do need cert to verify if they are correct or not!!

Best wishes
Barbara x

Hi Maggie
Just been reading through again --don't think you have this actual record --just the index--

Name: George Prior --batchelor --labourer
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Spouse Name: Jane Norwood --spinster
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Feb 1883
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: George Prior --Labourer
Spouse Father Name: John Norwood --engineer


address 21 Perth street --for both George and Jane

witnesses --Charles Bunce and and M. L ??? (sory can't make out what that says) it could say Frances

Thanks Barbara, just ordered this from the GRO ! To get her fathers name.

But this means I can start working on her family while I am waiting, so thanks for this.

Regards

Maggie

Ok Maggie, I will keep checking back on your thread --so if you need anything else just let us know --I nearly put the 1861 census on for Jane Norwood but realised you may want to look that up yourself--- i can put it on if you like.

best wishes
Barbara xx

Hi Barbara, thanks. I have found Jane Norwood back to 1861, parents John and Jane. Found a marriage for a Jane Brown and John Norwood Stepney 1855 1c 889. Do you have access to the transcript of that marriage at all and childrens baptisms? I have Ancestry but not access to the London records. I found children on the census,apart from Jane 1861, there is John 1856, William 1858, Robert 1864, Alfred 1869 and Charles 1872.
If I am being cheeky, just say...lol

Regards
Maggie

Hi Maggie

Of course I will send them --your not being cheeky at all

Here is the marriage between John and Jane

Name: John Norwood (Blacksmith)
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Spouse Name: Jane Brown
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Jul 1855
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Richard Norwood (Carprnter)
Her Father : Henry Brown (Labourer)

Address of both 13, Green Street
wittnesses
Henry Eveden (not sure on his last name) and Jane Haynes


Will just get the others ready to send
Barbara x

Or maybe not, Maggie !!! Very unusual--the children don't seem to have been Baptised ?? How odd. i have searched without a date to make sure they weren't all baptised together--I'm getting nothing at all.
Sorry, Maggie, maybe someone else will take a look and see if they can find any baptism records for the children. I MAY be missing something (my brain this morning I think LOL) but I can't see what.!!

Best wishes
Barbara xx

No problem Barbara, thanks for looking and thanks for the marriage, I am grateful.
Do the marriage records cover all of London?

Thanks again

Maggie

I'm not sure , Maggie, but i'm sure someone will be able to tell us--I THINK it maybe an "ongoing thing" but not sure on that either !!

I have found Baptism for John 1831 ans a brother Henry will send those

Barbata xx

This looks like John (1831) in 1841 Census

1841 England Census 1841 England Census
Name: John Norwood
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Paul Shadwell
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: N ?? street

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Shadwell and Wapping
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richd Norwood 50 --carpenter
Mary Norwood 30
Robert Norwood 10
John Norwood 7
Henry Norwood 3

Hy Crawford 15
Wm Bell 20
Charlotte Bell 20
Ann Beli 5
Wm Beli 1


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Baptism for John (1831)

Name: John Norwood
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 16 Sep 1838
Father's Name: Richard Norwood (carpenter)
Mother's Name: Mary Norwood
Parish: St Paul, Shadwell
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex
Date of Birth November 9th 1831

Address LOOKS like 87 Grand Lane --but hard to read
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Henry Baptism (same day as Johns)

Name: Henry Norwood
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 16 Sep 1838
Father's Name: Richard Norwood (carpenter)
Mother's Name: Mary Norwood
Parish: St Paul, Shadwell
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

Date of birthJuly 27th 1838

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older brother Robert

Name: Robert James Henry Norwood
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 4 May 1828
Father's Name: Richard Norwood (carpenter)
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Norwood
Parish: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

date of birth 27th January 1828
address Dock Street