Genealogy Chat

Hi AnotherCanuck

Thankyou for your post. This was one of the very first familys that I found on the census' and I really hoped it was the right one. But through another post I discovered that George White Snr's middle name began with M and my grandfathers father's name was George Alfred White.

Regards Linda

George WHITE M Male English 44 England Drayman Church of England
Mary WHITE M Female English 34 England Church of England
Tom WHITE Male English 17 England Church of England
Samuel WHITE Male English 14 O Church of England
Sarah WHITE Female English 12 O Church of England
Vinna WHITE Female English 10 O Church of England
Mary J. WHITE Female English 8 O Church of England
George WHITE Male English 5 O Church of England
Clara WHITE Female English 3 O Church of England
Gertrude WHITE Female English Church of England

Census Place Malahide, Elgin East, Ontario
Family History Library Film 1375902
NA Film Number C-13266
District 163
Sub-district D
Division 3
Page Number 23
Household Number 122

Hi there the above found re 1881 census Canada
hope this is what your looking for & fits in re your White family.

Hi mgny

His faher's name was also George Alfred White (General Foreman - Deceased)

George Alfred White (b Canada? c? - George Alfred white (b Canada c 1878) married 1917 (Camberwell - Caroline O'Rourke nee Dunbar) Children Caroline June White b 1918 George Alfred White b 1919 (Johns Mews, Holborn) May White c1923

Linda

Who does George A list as his father on his m.cert to your gran?
I've been assuming it was Albert Charles White

Hi Ann of Green Gables

I don't think he was a 'soldier'. I've checked on the Canadian sites for army records and nothing came up that 'felt' right and I've checked on the british army records and again nothing 'felt' right. Sometimes you just get a feeling that you are either on the right or wrong road. Although I understand that a lot of WW1 records were lost during the WW2.

All I realy know is what my mother can remember about her father-in-law because unfortunately my father is no longer here to ask questions about his father. I know he loved to help his father with 'the horses'.



Thanks Linda

would you be able to find out which of the services he was in, probably army - if you can find that out you could look at a website for that regiment

Grandfather 'lost' in history - born in Canada c1878.
I've tried searching Canadian census' and birth records in Canada - but as I don't know exactly where in Canada he was born it will be too time consuming to find my grandfather 's family in this way. So I am trying another route. My mother says that their was always a 'medal' or citation from the 'King' on the wall in my grandmother's home for bravery or services to this country during WW1. My paternal grandfather travelled backwards and forwards from Canada rounding up horses and transporting them over to Britain for the army. He settled in Britain after marrying my paternal grandmother in 1917 where he carried on his trade in horses.

Would there be a record anywhere of his award for 'bravery'?

Or could there be business directories for the 1920's that would list his business.

I don't suppose these would give me anymore information about his birth place but at lease this would give me some extra info about him as I know little or nothing.

Thanks Linda

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Whoa

How many websites have they got in Canada?

My mind is going to mush just looking at all those different letters and numbers!

It may be sometime before I surface again if I have to search everyone of these

Thanks Linda

ANCESTRY.CA SUB NEEDED - maybe someone with a sub can give details on:

Exact Search Results - Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1926
Margaret Elizabeth McGowan year date Albert Charles White location
Margaret J Johnston year date Charles H White location
Rachel Elizabeth McQuay year date William Nesbitt White location
Charles White year date Jane Fifield location
George White year date Sarah Ann Ryan location
Charity Jane Noble year date William White location


Exact Search Results - Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1934
Name Estimated birth year Death Date Death Location Gender View Image
Albert C White 1846 dd mm 1902 Carleton gender


1861 & 1871 Census of Canada for White in Marlborough township, Carleton Co, Ontario

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It seems Albert homesteaded on Concession 1 Lot 27W in Marlborough Twp in Carleton Co. It's almost the most SW-ly lot in the county.
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/showrecord.php?PersonID=5086
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/images/maps/townshipmaps/car-m-marlborough.jpg
It looks like the standard 200 acre lot here is 25 chains x 80 chains.
The nearby village of Burritts Rapids still exists.


Home / 1852 / Canada West / Carleton (county) / 30 Marlborough township / p. 35d, 36a, (71) Unsplit view
7 White, Charles Farmer England Church of England 42 M
8 White, Sally England Church of England 35 F
9 White, Emma Upper Canada Church of England 14 F
10 White, Lucas ? Upper Canada Church of England 10 M
11 White, Robt. Charles Upper Canada Church of England 4 M
12 White, George Upper Canada Church of England 2 M
[some transcription bobbles - both Charles are actually Charless and Lucas is Lueza, which implies the sex is stuffed too]
I think Robt Charles is our Albert Charles - possibly a misrecording by the enumerator.

http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1851_pdf/e094/e002345213.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1851_pdf/e094/e002345214.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1851_pdf/e094/e002345215.pdf [schedule blank]

1881 Louisie
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e327/e008171116.pdf
1891 Louisa
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148131-01098.pdf
1901 Louise S1 (a=60 18/8/1840 @ England immig 1842)
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000055584.pdf
1911 Leoza (a=70 8/1840 immig 1843)
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001981543.pdf

Jonesey - looks OK now.

1911
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001981544.pdf

That says his pob=O(ntario). Now BMDs are closed in Ont for 100/85/70 y (well, technically deaths aren't closed, but no index is published for 70 y, so to get the d.cert you practically have to know what it says anyway).
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-906.006-e.html#f

1881
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e327/e008171124.pdf
1891
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148131-01099.pdf
1901 Schedule 1
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000055583.pdf
1901 Schedule 2
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000055944.pdf
1911 Charles
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e001981547.pdf

Hi MargaretManson

Thanks that makes things clearer

Regards Linda

On the 1911 census:
George A., head, 29
Margeret E., mother, 53
John G., brother, 21
Alpeus B., brother, 19
Robert E., brother, 13

Hi Jonesey

Does it state whether George is single on the 1911 census because on his marriage certificate it says he was a bachelor. My grandmother was a widow as she had been married before.

Thanks Linda

Oops sorry didn't see the Status: Single - I got confused seeing Margaret E 33. That can't be his mother? too young! - is it a sister or sister-in-law?

Hi MargaretManson

Yes it is - It's also George Alfred White - General Foreman - Deceased. On my father's birth certificate his father's occupation was Horsekeeper and they lived in Johns Mews, Holborn, London in 1919.

Linda

Is his father's name on the marriage certificate, Linda?

Hi Margaret

My Grandfather's name is George Alfred White and according to his marriage certificate he was 35 years old in 1917. But my grandmother was also stated as 35 years old too and I know she was born before the 1881 census. I have checked some of the Canadian army attestation papers but haven't found anything that seems correct. All I know about my grandfather is he was born in Canada and cames over to Britain to sell horses to the army during the WW1.

Thanks Linda

Jonesey - since when did the UK have a national register - currently, if I'm looking for UK BMDs I have to check Southport, Dublin, Belfast and Edinburgh, and if I sloppily allow UK to include the Channel Islands and Isle of Man, then also St Helier, St Peter Port and Douglas need to be checked too. Hardly seems like a national register to me.

Why not post the name here, Linda? Some of us who have more experience navigating the Canadian sites might have better luck finding him.

The fact that he married your grandmother in 1917 makes it sound as if he could be a soldier in WW1. If so check this site for attestation papers for soldiers of WW1 in Canada:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/index-e.html

This same site also has all of the censuses in Canada.