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Hi,
I have my gt gt grandma's wedding cert that has a line through father.
Her name is Hannah Henley, she married Joseph Ball 1847 Tipton Staffs, i think she was born 1825/6 according to the 1851 census and was born in Tipton Staffordshire.
I've tried to locate her on the 1841 census at the local library but not found her as yet.
Any idea's appreciated,
Many Thanks,
Jaine

when did they marry how old was she on cert and who was her father?

Whilst this Hannah is slightly too young the boundary between Staffordshire and Worcestershire does change at this point and Dudley and Tipton are very close. Do you have the marriage cert with her father's name?

1841

England Census
about Hannah Henley
Name: Hannah Henley
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Gender: Female
Where born: Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Dudley
Hundred: Halfshire (Lower Division)
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Dudley
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Henley 30
Hannah Henley 30
Sarah Henley 13
Hannah Henley 10
Priscilla Henley 7
Elizabeth Henley 5
William Henley 3
Thomas Henley 9 Mo

Linda,
they were both of full age and there is just a line through father for Hannah, they married at st Martins, Tipton 1847 ( i'm going to search for the cert for the exact date) His father was Thomas ball

oh dear no father, think it will be hard to find her. the only one coming up is the one K found, nothing on IGI either.

K,
There is no name down for her father just a line through were her fathers name should be

Jaine

If her father isn't named on the marriage certificate there are probably 3 reasons

1. She was illegiimate...And acknowledged it.
2. She was estranged from or did not wish to acknowledge her father.
3. He had died when she was young and she really didn't know his name.

Admittingly the most likely is the first option so, if I was you, I would be looking at the poor law records for Tipton given she was born and married there.

If her mother had needed parish relief then it is more than likely the relieving officers would have done their best to see if they could get the reputed father's name so they could get him to contribute rather than the parish!

The relevant record office would be your first port of call to see what poor law records they hold.

Good luck
Chris

Thankyou Chris,
I'd like to carry on through her mum if i can

As Linda said it will be difficult to find her without a father. There are several Hannah's in Tipton in 1841 with surnames similar to Henley. I searched on Hannah's of the approx age living in Tipton. There is one with granparents(Hasley) and one working as a servant (Handley) but without a father to tie them in it is guesswork

K,
these are proving to one of the worst lines i've followed even Joseph's parents are proving elusive......i guess they don't want to be found!
Thankyou for taking a look for me

thanks to you aswell Linda

who was Josephs father on marriage cert? and his occupation? maybe we can find them

Another thought...

Who are the witnesses at her marriage? Could they be relatives?

If one is female with a different surname she could be a married sister.

If a witness turns out to be a relative it may help locate her in 1841.

Chris

Hi jaine
Just to confirm is the marriage on Freebmd ref Dudley 18 -363 March Qtr 1847 Hannah Henley/Joseph Ball your gt/gt grandparents?- JLe

the marriage cert says Joseph Ball of age Labourer , Tipton
father Thomas Ball, labourer
Hannah Henley of age tipton ( no father)
Witnesses John Haines and Susanna Haines

Yes Janet the marriage was 8th March 1847

1841 only one I can see is this one. he is living with a family I think is Bott??

Name: Joseph Ball
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Tipton
Hundred: South Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Tipton
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Ball 19


EDIT he is a labourer but nothing to give us his family :(

the witnesses??

1851

Name: John Haines
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Susannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Cloy Hills, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Tipton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Tipton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1n
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 85
Household Members: Name Age
John Haines 30
Susannah Haines 30
Harriet Haines 9
Mary Bayley 72

Linda,in my notes i have a Joseph living with a John which may be his older brother perhaps, no Thomas tho, must be elsewhere, will check to see if i've looked in the deaths

Unfortunately Freebmd does not have a possible marriage of a John Haines to a Susanna in the right area or timescale (which if daughter Harriet is 9 in 1851 should have been circa 1840)