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Hi all
sorry to drag this one back up again but i really am stuck :-(

my grandmother Edna Coles born 1921 died 1958

well i cant find her parents marriage.....William and Caroline Coles,
on Edna's birth cert it states Caroline Coles formally Coles and i have checked with registry office that this was not an error.
Any suggestions on where to go from here?
thanks
Nicola

Does William have any middle initials

Perhaps they did not marry in England

Was she their 1st born

Hi

No initials for William on either birth cert or his daughters marriage cert just address and occupation, and i just guessed they married in england..........maybe they never oh my goodness that just makes things worse lol :-(

Im sorry i have no idea about siblings i think poss only one other child ??
my dad was only 9 when his mother Edna died so dont really know much at all

Sometimes when the mmn and the child's name is the same then the child was illegitimate
Does her birth cert name her dad as William Coles

Have you tried variant spellings - Colls, Coals, Coales etc? Suppose it is possible that - if they happened to have the same surname - they might not have seen a point in marrying, but you never know.

Just a wild bit of straw clutching but Ive found women previously married to the new husbands rellie and hence same surname.

Just butting in! Have you got a location please? Haven't seen your previous threads.
Jan

Was this mentioned previously?

Marriages Jun 1907
COLE William Bristol 6a 352
COLES Caroline Bristol 6a 352

Rose

There looks to be a Caroline and William Cole in Bristol in 1911. Take a look and see if the occupation matches.

Rose

Hi all
Yes indeed Bristol :-)

occupation greengrocer

Rose

thanks for that ....do you think maybe the s is missing from Williams name as it's def Coles on the birth cert?
and i don't have access to 1911 census but the address on the birth cert is 4 Whitehouse St, Bedminster Bristol.
could you tell me if it gives an address on the 1911 census as i know Bedminster well.
many thanks for your help
Nicola x

Barry
thank you for that, sounds promising :-)
can I ask where you found it.....I only have
limited access to ancestry
NIcola

Hi Barry
thanks again :-)

This is for free:

Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
HOUSEHOLD COLE ALICE F 1910 1 Bristol Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD COLE ELLEN F 1909 2 Bristol Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD COLE WILLIAM M 1886 25 Bristol Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD COLE CAROLINE F 1890 21 Bristol Gloucestershire

Rose

A likely candidate
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Caroline Coles
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1890
Christening Date: 4 Jun 1890
Christening Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Father's Name: Robert Coles
Mother's Name: Ellen

More than one William.

I would guess that William and Caroline and cousins of some sort.

I have at least two examples of that sort of marriage in my tree.

Just been talking to a family member who is sure William & Caroline had at least 4 other children....
Iris,Enid Doreen and Arthur :-(

I have found

Iris Coles 1923 6a 168 COLES BRISTOL
Arthur Coles 1928 6a 169 COLES BRISTOL
Doreen Coles 1934 6a 320 COLES BRISTOL

no sign of an Enid though

Hmmmmm lol
can you see why this is taking me round in circles and driving me mad :-(

all i actually have is Edna's birth cert where both parents are clearly Coles
and also Edna's marriage cert where her father is William Coles

and yet cant seem to find either parent............i must be missing something