Genealogy Chat

I have not found a marriage for the following two people, so another pair of eyes would be very welcome:-

AMELIA JENNINGS TO JAMES HADLEY in the Poplar area. Their first child was born in 1854 and I have looked way into the upper 1800s, but have had no luck.

In anticipation.

Kathlyn

I can't find a marriage for them on FreeBMD so perhaps they never married.

Do you have them on a census?

Kath. x

Hi Kath,

Yes I do have them on census in 1881. They were living in West Ham. James was born in Wednesbury in 1830 and Amelia in Bromley in 1835.

They had 8 children the first being born in 1854 in Poplar

Kathlyn

The nearest James Hadley I can find born near 1854 is in Bethnal Green in 1856. A James Hadley died in the Poplar area in 1854.

Hi,

Just for ref;

1861 England Census
about Medoda Hadley
Name: Medoda Hadley
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Maller
Gender: Female
Where born: Bromley, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Bromley St Leonard
Town: Middlesex
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 113
Household Members: Name Age
James Hadley 32
Maller Hadley 26
Medoda Hadley 6
Elizabeth Hadley 3
William Hadley 1
Elizabeth Jennings 72
Robert Yodyer 36

This is the family in 1871:-

Name: James Hadley
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Amelia
Gender: Male
Where born: Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Bromley St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: Bromley St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: Forgeman

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View Image
Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 133
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hadley 31
Amelia Hadley 35
Dorah Hadley 16
Elizabeth Hadley 14
William Hadley 11
Alice Hadley 9
Josiah Hadley 4
Eva Hadley 8 months
Elizabeth Jennings 84
Elizabeth Clark 34

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 572; Folio: 121; Page: 26; GSU roll: 823320.

Kath. x

Elizabeth Jennings in 1851, No amelia with them;

1851 England Census
about Elizabth Jennings
Name: Elizabth Jennings
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1788
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Bromley St Leonard
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Jennings 63
Elizabth Jennings 63
Wm Walker 20
Wm King 30
Susannah Edmonds 9 Mo


Dee x

Kathleen and Denise,

Yes this is them. Both have mistranscriptions, eg. Maller is Amelia and Madoda is Medora. Amelia and James last child Kate, is my grandmother. I have a history for Amelia but was hoping to find a marriage so i could take James further back.


Kathlyn

Hi Kathlyn,

What intrigues me is that James Hadley and Elizabeth Jennings are from the same place......... do you have a birth cert for one of Amelias children to confirm her name was Jennings???


Dee xx

Hello Dee,

Yes I do have the following birth certs:-
Kate, Josiah and Medora, all with the same parent info...Father James Hadley mother Amelia Jennings
.

Kathlyn

The only Jennings/Hadley marriage I can find in Poplar is this one:-

Annie Jennings to Thomas Hadley
March qtr, 1898, Poplar, 1c, 755

I don't think your couple can have been married.

Kath. x

Hi Kathlyn,

I've been looking for Amelia or James on the 1851 census....... no luck though.

I'm in agreement with Kathleen Bell, I don't think your couple married.


I queried Elizabeth Jennings and her birth place just incase she was James's mother remarried.



Dee x

I found this entry of death, so if you was in a position to
obtain the death certificate it would give the spouses name.

Name: James Hadley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 61
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London

I will continue to see what else I can find out.
Volume: 4a
Page: 124 (click to see others on page)

Is this Amelia in 1841?

Father given as Thomas not Henry though.



Thomas Jennings
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Andrew Holborn (Above The Bars)
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

View Image

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: St Andrew Western
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Jennings 52 Carver
Elizabeth Jennings 46 Born out of county
Amelia Jennings 17
William Jennings 18

EDIT sorry no she's too old. Is she consistently Amelia in any records you have?

Julie

Ginette,

An English death certificate wouldn't necessarily give the spouse's name - unless she was the informant.

Kath. x

Hi Kathlyn,


This maybe a red herring, but the names drew me to it!!!

1851 England Census
about Amelia Burchall
Name: Amelia Burchall
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Bromley, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Bromley St Leonard
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 2c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
Medora Burchall 21
Amelia Burchall 16


Location is excellent too!!!!!!!

Thank you to all who have contributed to my problem. I have found in my research a few of my forebearers who either did not tie the knot or waited until their children were advanced in age.lol. Oh dear, and there was me thinking that ALL Victorian people did marry.

Thanks again it is very much appreciated.

Kathlyn

Looks like Denise found the right Amelia:

Marriages Jun 1849 (>99%)

>>>>>Burchill Thomas Poplar 2 327
Cherry Emma Poplar 2 327
Gosling William Poplar 2 327
Hales Grace Elizabeth Poplar 2 327
>>>>>>>Jennings Medora Poplar 2 327
Murdoch Mary Ann Poplar 2 327
Reid William Poplar 2 327
Tyler James Poplar 2 327

Ohh Jooleh,

excellent work, at least the marriage cert for Medora will confirm the fathers name......hopefully.


Dee xx

Amelia was widowed by 1891 so perhaps that earlier post about James' death was the correct one;


1891 England Census
about Amelia Hadley
Name: Amelia Hadley
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Poplar, London, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Amelia Hadley 57 b. Poplar
Josiah Hadley 22 b.Poplar
Ruth Hadley 18 b.poplar
Kate Hadley 10 b.Canning Town