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Patricia

Patricia Report 16 Jan 2009 20:28

Thank you everyone for all your hard work,its really helped and cleared loads up
Thanks again, regards Pat

Thelma

Thelma Report 16 Jan 2009 17:26

I feel such a fool!!
I have spent best part of an hour looking for them in 1911!!!

Patricia

Patricia Report 16 Jan 2009 16:52

Robert Ramshaw next door may not have been Alices father then? There is no John Tom Ramshaw on the census for next door atthat time so could be a relative of the people next door or just a coincidence.

Thelma

Thelma Report 16 Jan 2009 16:47

Ada's children
Henry Ramshaw 1920 Apr-May-Jun Tynemouth Northumberland
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John T T Ramshaw 1911 Oct-Nov-Dec Tynemouth Northumberland
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Mary H Ramshaw 1915 Apr-May-Jun Tynemouth Northumberland
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Robert Ramshaw 1922 Jul-Aug-Sep Tynemouth Northumberland

Thelma

Thelma Report 16 Jan 2009 16:39

This is Ada's husband
John Tom Ramshaw 1905 Tynemouth Northumberland
How?
Ada's page number is wrong.

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 16 Jan 2009 16:29

And possibly 1851:


1851 England Census
about Catherine Duckworth
Name: Catherine Duckworth
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Shipton, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Bradford
Town: Bradford
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Bradford
Sub registration district: Bradford East End
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
George Duckworth 36
Catherine Duckworth 34
Mary Duckworth 13
Sarah Duckworth 11
Joseph Duckworth 8
Henry Duckworth 8 Mo

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 16 Jan 2009 16:12

Katherine is a widow, and Ann Simpson is her unmarried daughter.

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 16 Jan 2009 16:11

And in 1861, and Oh, look there is a Simpson:


1861 England Census
about Henry Duckworth
Name: Henry Duckworth
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Katherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Bradford
Town: Bradford
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Bradford
Sub registration district: Bradford East End
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Katherine Duckworth 41
Ann Simpson 19
Joseph Duckworth 18
Henry Duckworth 10

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 16 Jan 2009 16:07

And in 1871:


1871 England Census
about Henry Duckworth
Name: Henry Duckworth
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Shelf
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Shelf
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Halifax
Sub registration district: Northowram
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Elizabeth Clayton 49
Herbert Denton Clayton 5
Eli Chandler 29
John Lee 29
James Lee 19
Henry Duckworth 19

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 16 Jan 2009 16:06

Just to fill in a few gaps this is Henry, Ada's father in 1881:


1881 England Census
about Henry Duckworth
Name: Henry Duckworth
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mercy Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Shelf
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: Upper Brackens
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Waggoner (Ag Lab)

Registration district: Halifax
Sub registration district: Northowram
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Duckworth 30
Mercy Ann Duckworth 32
Elisebeth Hannah Duckworth 9
Katheren Duckworth 7
Jane Ann Duckworth 4
Emily Lousia Duckworth 2
William Ray 36

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 16 Jan 2009 16:04

Jim/Thelma - that was brilliant, didn't think of Dockworth......
Did she marry a Ramshaw then, or is that a red herring?

Patricia

Patricia Report 16 Jan 2009 15:53

you are a genius!!!
I wouldn't have found that in a million years
Thank you so much

Patricia

Patricia Report 16 Jan 2009 15:52

That does sound rather a big coincidence.....lol I think u might be onto something there lol

Thelma

Thelma Report 16 Jan 2009 15:51

marriage
Ada Simpson Dockworth 1905 Tynemouth

Patricia

Patricia Report 16 Jan 2009 15:41

I find it very hard to read it looks like a surname as a middlename?
Ada Eleanor Simklon? Duckwith
I will post it for you if there is a way to do it so you can look?
Henry was born c 1888 as was 38 in 1926 when he married Alice.
thanks again

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 16 Jan 2009 15:41

It could be a coincidence, but there are also a lot of other Ramshaws in the area as well so might not mean anything!

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 16 Jan 2009 15:40

Here is Robert Ramshaw living at 10 Percy Street in 1901.


1901 England Census
about Robert Ramshaw
Name: Robert Ramshaw
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: North Shields, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Tynemouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Tynemouth Christchurch
Town: North Shields
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub registration district: Tynemouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 224
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Ramshaw 46
Ann Ramshaw 45
Mary Taylor 23
Robert Ramshaw 19
James Ramshaw 13
William Ramshaw 12
Thomas Ramshaw 10
Margaret Ramshaw 16

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 16 Jan 2009 15:34

Ooooh, that's interesting! On the 1901 census Ada Eleanor is living with sister Catherine at 11 East Percy Street, Tynemouth. I went back a page on the census and guess who I found - Robert Ramshaw age 19, house painter. Will put details up next.

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 16 Jan 2009 15:28

And I think this is possibly Ada in 1901 as Catherine is her sister here and in 1891. Alice was also born in Tynemouth. Although she is down as Ada M:


1901 England Census
about Ada M Duckworth
Name: Ada M Duckworth
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: Tynemouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Tynemouth Christchurch
Town: North Shields
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub registration district: Tynemouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 229
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherine Duckworth 26
Ada M Duckworth 16
Mary A Hunter 8

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+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 16 Jan 2009 15:21

So if Ada S Duckworth is the correct mother then this is her in 1891:


1891 England Census
about Ada S Duckworth
Name: Ada S Duckworth
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Female
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Westoe
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: South Shields
Sub registration district: Westoe
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Duckworth 40
Mary A Duckworth 42
Catherine Duckworth 16
Jane A Duckworth 14
William T Duckworth 8
Ada S Duckworth 6
Geo H Duckworth 2

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