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Just for those who might want to look again for the Gillam family. On one census they are Gilliam. On another Gillham.

My Ancestry sub has expired so I cant look myself

Where are you getting that information, Margaret? Have I missed something?

The Edmund and Charlotte with sons Albert born in 1860 and 1880 seem to be the same couple.

The older couple are Edmund and Jane, who don't have a son Albert.

Sorry Mary I cant recheck because my Ancestry sub is expired.
The information was found on previous thread that was accidently deleted.
I only remember there were mistranscriptions of the name Gillam/Gilliam/Gillham but cannot remember which census .
On the 1881 census Edmund Gillam junior suggests his father is also Edmund. Can you check the earlier census ? with the possible mistranscriptions in mind

Edmond Gillam's father appears to be George

1851 England Census
about Edmund Gillam
Name: Edmund Gillam
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: et Coker, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: East Coker
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Yeovil
Sub registration district: Coker
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 132
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Gillam 16
Edmund Gillam 14
George Gillam 33
George Gillam 20
Mary Gillam 51
Ruth Gillam 12


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1929; Folio: 122; Page: 34;

Checked the image for 1881 and it doesn't look like Junior to me.

1861 England Census
about Edmund Gillham
Name: Edmund Gillham
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: East Coker, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Brympton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Yeovil
Sub registration district: Yeovil
ED, institution, or vessel: 10d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Edmund Gillham 6 Mo
Charlotte Gillham 24
Edmund Gillham 23

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1644; Folio: 121; Page: 24

1881 England Census
about Edmund (Junr.) Gillam
Name: Edmund (Junr.) Gillam
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: East Coker, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Brimpton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address: Cottage
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Farm Labourer

Registration district: Yeovil
Sub registration district: Yeovil
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Gillam 8 mths
Charles Gillam 5
Charlotte Gillam 44
Edmund (Junr.) Gillam 46
George Gillam 16
Janet Gillam 10
John Gillam 12

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2393; Folio: 94; Page: 2;

Can't find them in 1871 but agree with mary that they seem to be the same family with 2 sons named Albert.

Christine

With grateful thanks to all of you looking into the Gillam saga for me. You will all soon be fed up with hearing the name Gillam, i know i am. This side of the family has caused problems from day 1.
Sometimes i think i am not meant to find out anything about them.
Regards Trudy

This appears to be the baptism of the younger Edmund Gillam (the one who married Charlotte):

County: Somerset
Place: East Coker
Church: St Michael
Register Number: 949
Baptism Date: 14 Feb 1836
Forename: Edmund
Sex: M
Father Forename: George
Mother Forename: Mary
Father Surname: GILLAM
Mother Surname :
Father Occupation: Weaver

http://tinyurl.com/3prua6

Here are Edmund and Charlotte in 1871.

Charlotte's calling herself Elizabeth, Edmund's name looks like Edward and Albert Edmund has become Edmund, but it appears to be the same family; all the other names, dates and places fit. The identification seems to be clinched by the fact that the wife's mother is called Annie Russell, and Russell was Charlotte's maiden name.


1871 England Census
about Edward Gillham
Name: Edward Gillham
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: East Coker, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Brimpton
Town: Alvington and Brympton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Gillham 24, head, ag lab, born E. Coker [age probably 34 on image]
Elizabeth Gillham 34, wife, glover, born Brimpton
Edmund Gillham 10, born Brimpton
James Gillham 8, born Brimpton
Geo Gillham 4, born Brimpton
John Gillham 2, born Brimpton
James Gillham 3 months, born Brimpton [Janet on image]
Annie Rossell 67, widow, mother-in-law [Russell on image]

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2419; Folio: 76; Page: 17

Here's Charlotte in 1851; her mother's called Ann, and her age matches the Annie Russell in 1871. Interesting that Charlotte has a sister called Elizabeth.

1851 England Census
about Charlotte Russell
Name: Charlotte Russell
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Brympton, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Brympton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Russell 14
Ann Russell 47
Charlotte Russell 14
Edwin Russell 27
Elizabeth Russell 8
Ellis Russell 16
James Russell 51
James Russell 20
John Russell 12
Martha A Russell 6
Mary Russell 18
William Russell 24

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1930; Folio: 217; Page: 4;

Deaths Mar 1900
Gillam Charlotte / 63 / Yeovil / 5c 349

Hi Mary,
I am totally confused why would the family start changing there names in 1871 and change them back in1881. Is there a mystery going on?

No idea, but a lot of people seemed to switch between their first and middle names.

Another possibility is that the forms were not filled in very legibly by the head of the household, and when the enumerator copied them onto the schedules you can see on Ancestry, he misinterpreted some of the names.

Edmund could easily be mistaken for Edward, and I suppose a very scrawly Charlotte might just about be mistaken for Elizabeth. Charlotte isn't shown anywhere with the middle name Elizabeth, and I wouldn't have thought she'd have used that name as she already had a sister Elizabeth.

I don't think Charlotte died and Edmund married her sister Elizabeth, because she's Charlotte again in 1881, and she clearly died in 1900.

I haven't been able to work out how the Edmund who married Jane was related to the younger Edmund who married Charlotte (if at all). They definitely weren't father and son, because their ages are too close together, and anyway, the younger Edmund's father was George.

I haven't found a baptism for the older Edmund on the IGI, FreeReg or Pallot's.

Thanks Mary for spending so long on this problem, hope it`s not given you to much of a headache unlike myself.

No problem, I was curious about it too :-)

Mary can you look for the Edmund Gillam born 1824 East Coker who married Jane.Can you find him in 1841
Who is his father.?

Margaret,
It was such a lovely day yesterday decided to visit the Church and graveyard at East Coker. I was able to look at the records in the church, and found a baptism for a Edmund Gillam 1836 Feb 14th. It states that his parents are George and Mary.
Regards Trudy

Here's another spelling for you.

1841 England Census
Name: Edmund Gillayham
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Somerset, England

Civil Parish: East Coker
Hundred: Houndsborough Barwick and Coker
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address: Pillards Cross [having seen 1851 & 1861 I checked this out again; definitely Pillards]

Occupation: sail cloth weaver

Registration district: Yeovil
Sub registration district: Coker
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Gillayham 50 - sail cloth weaver
Jane Gillayham 50
John Gillayham 19 - ag lab
Edmund Gillayham 15

1851 England Census
Name: Charles Gillam
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Hardington, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: East Coker
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address: Fillys Cross

Occupation: Hand Loom Sail Cloth Weaver

Registration district: Yeovil
Sub registration district: Coker
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 117
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Gillam 65
Jane Gillam 48 - East Coker [age looks more like 68 than 48]
John Gillam 29 - widower; Hand Loom Sail Cloth Weaver
Emily Gillam 9 - grandaughter
Louisa Gillam 6 - grandaughter
Susan Gillam 4 - grandaughter

1861 England Census
Name: Charles Gillam
Age: 74
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1787
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Hardington, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: East Coker
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address: 1 Fillys Cross Cottages

Occupation: Sail Cloth Weaver

Condition as to marriage: widow

Registration district: Yeovil
Sub registration district: Coker
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 109
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Gillam 74

Trudy.
Lucky you being in the area and able to go to see the church records.You cant have better proof than that.

Did you find any more of your family while you were there?