Genealogy Chat

Somehow my Derbyshire parish records thread has been deleted.which make me very angry.........but I have started a new one with the same name....for those of you who use both......
But hopefully this one will continue .............

Derek

hello derek why would anyone want to delet such a helpful and interesting thread OFF WITH THEIR HEADS

sally

Derek - I am really new to this and not yet "versed" in how to send messages (thank you for your help) Noticed that you have access to Derbyshire Records and wonder if you can assist.

I have a Samuel Gerrard, b1822 in Bradbourne, Derbyshire. One census mentions Lea Hall. Have been in contact with someone researching Gerrards and she was quite excited over the Lea Hall connection; however, none of her suggestions match my research.

I have him married to Sarah Ensor in Jul, Aug, Sept of 1850, and in the 1871 and 1881 censuses. Children are Elizabeth, b apr of 1851, George b 1853, John b 1855 and Sarah Ann b1861, all in the Bradbourne / Brassington area. His occupation was journeyman miller of corn. There are several Samuels to choose from in that area, all millers, however.

Any assistance in finding his parents would be appreciated. I am in the midst of applying for his marriage certificate, and quite possibly I have jumped the gun asking for help.

Diane from Canada

Hi Diane.......I actually sent you a message on my other Derbyshire thread....but I can repeat it here..........

I will be more in a position to confirm my info later tomorrow..but for the moment..........Ballidon Brassington Bradbourne and Lea hall sre all in the same area. Lea Hall is a hamlet in the Parish of Bradbourne.

Samuel Gerrard appears to have been born at Lea hall 1822..but have not been able to find his parents yet.........

He married SARAH ENSOR 1850..and they had the four children you name..........hopefully i can give you their baptism dates and places tomorrow.

Sarah was the eldest of SEVEN children of JOHN ENSOR (1794-1885) and hannah Blore (married 1819) amd i have her siblings.

Sarah died 1886..and Samuel 26.03.1889

Their son George born 1853 died 1913

More tomorrow.........

Derek

Yes, not sure what I did to end up on this list, but .......

Sorry, didn't realize you would get right into this!! Should have mentioned then that I have John and Hannah's children, but I do not have Hannah's siblings. Great job! John Ensor's father at a guess may be Richard, married to Sarah Bowler, but not confirmed.

Elizabeth b 1851 is on the 1851 census, after that gone. George, I have for all the censuses, incl. 1911, as well as John, just not a death date. Sarah Ann, I also have all the censuses. She is the main one in my ancestry chart. She marries Samuel Blackwell, after having three children (all known) with an "unknown". This name I would dearly love to have as well, but understand it will be an impossible task. I have all info after that. Samuel's side was the one giving me a headache!

Many, many thanks,
Diane

Derek, have you tried contacting the mods at Genes. They could re-instate it for you.

Hello Diane......have been doing quite a bit of work on this......the fact is that Samuel Gerrard was not baptised at Bradbourne....therefore i have not yet found his parents. This is curious..because in 1841 he would be 19.
The BRADBOURNE 1841 Census shows clearly tha MARY GERRARD aged 50 is a Miller and farmer of 50 acres at Bradbourne Mill..andcontinues to be so until she dies.....She is shown as married in 1841.as widow in 1851.but there is no husband in 1841.

Interestin thing is that in 1841 she is the only Gerrard who could possibly be a parent for SAMUEL 1822...but there is no baptism for him..

Her other childre are:
John 1815 (married to Elizabeth)
Elizabeth 1818
Joseph 1820 (married Ann Barnsley 11.02.1858)
Mary 1821..remained unmarried.
Judith 1825
..and reasonably Samuel would slot in very well at 1822 ???????..thats' one for me to sort out.

Interesting thing about Lea Hall..it was only ever three properties, and nobody would ever have been baptised there.....and in 1841.there were only three families there...no Gerrards.

For your information I give you GERRARDS that WERE baptised at bradbourne:_

14.0301823 JUDITH GARRAD (probably Gerrard) d.o Samuel and mary
23.05.1825 ANNE GARRETT (.......) d.o. Samuel and mary
01,05.1864 Alice daughter of Joseph and hannah
14.06.1866 HANNAH dauhgter of Joseph and Hannah
30.03.1862 Mary Elizabeth daughter of Joseph and Hannah
18.09.1859 SARAH ANNE daughter of Samuel and Sarah
17.02.1852 ann daughter of John and Elizabeth
08.07.1860 Catherine daughter ofJoseph and Hannah
14.03.1869 Frederick William son ofJoseph and hannah
19.03.1853 Joseph son of Joseph and Elizabeth
14.05.1848 Mary daughter ofJOHN and ELIZABETH
21.04.1845 Samuel son of john and Elizabeth
29.11.1829 Ann son of Samuel and Mary.

Samuel 1822 as you know did marry an have the children you know about.

More later even a superstar gets tired!!

Derek

You are a superstar that's for sure!! Wow. Please take a break from this one for awhile though, Derek, - don't want to overtax you!!! I'm going to send away for the marriage cert. for Sarah and Samuel. Hopefully, that will provide at least a father's name for Samuel. Also, I'll be away for the next week as well - looking after grandson. Once I receive the cert., I'll provide whatever info it states. Many, many thanks SS.

Diane

Hi Derek,and all others who read this thread.

I have just sent a complaint to GR about deleting this thread,and asking for it to be put back.

If you ALL do it perhaps they will listen.

Scroll down to the bottom of this page, and press "contact us".

Hi Nina...thanks for your support, but I have a reply from Gr saying that they never delete threads unless they are quote "abusive or argumentative"............hahaha

Derek, sorry I haven't got back to you re the Gerrards. My husband's father was very sick and has since passed away. Will be back to you next week. Had sent away for certificates though before all this happened, so hopefully we'll have some more info soon.

Diane

Hello Diane..so sorry to hear your bad news........just to let you know i will be around when you come back.....

Derek

Loads of good wishes to everybody for Christmas and New year..can tell you're all out doing shopping instead of being on here!!

Derek

Hi Derek,

Good wishes to you for Christmas and the New Year too. Thank you for all the look ups you do and no doubt I will have some more requests in the New Year.

Chris

Hi Derek,wishing you a lovely,peaceful Christmas.

Remember my Blackwells that you helped me with? Some of their sideways twigs have me in knots. I will drive myself loopy over the festive season trying to locate them,but if I can't unravel all the same name cousins ect ,can I trouble you again in the new year.

Lots of love, Nina from Sheffield,

hello derek ikeep looking for you i thourt you had deserted us iam sure we will find something for you to keep you off the drink iwill send you my purdy,s soon

well have a good christmas agood rest and thankyou for all the hard work you have done
sally

Hello Nina..if you remind me where we got to with the Blackwells, I'll have a little scout around over the Christmas period ..like when i get bored with all the paraphernalia!!

Derek

Hi Derek, many thanks for your kind words. I'm back now to my searching. Sorry, this is a long one. Thank you for the mother of Samuel, Mary, piece of information. Have done a bit of research on that one. Coincidentally enough, while away, I received a hand written note from my uncle in England who sussed out his family bible.

He has written from the top down, Joseph Gerrard, died 26 Mar 1887, then under that, Samuel Gerrard, b June 1867. Then under that, Wilfred Gerrard died 29 Mar 1914. Now we know that there was a father of Wilfred, who isn't Samuel, obviously they didn't want to put that piece of info in the family bible, but I thought the mention of Joseph may be something you could use. I've tried his death date, but nothing concrete comes up on Ancestry.

Haven't received the paperwork on the marriages yet from England.
Diane

Just noticed a post from Nina on the Blackwells. I've done quite a bit of research on them as Sarah Ann Gerrard from my tree married Samuel Blackwell b 1850 in 1892. (3 children) He was previously married to Hannah, with 3 children. Let me know if you need any of that research.

Happy Christmas to you Derek, and many thanks for all the assistance you have provided to me and others on this post. It is sincerely appreciated.
Diane from Canada

Hello Deborah...have answered your PM with some information.....but rather work on my Thread.
I saw your initial enquiry on your thread..in which you say Abraham born Bakewell 1760..on your PM you say 1740

In fact he was not baptised at Bakewell..and i have yet to find him..he's not on IGI either unless he came from lancashire.
But he DID marry at Bakewell....16.10. 1759 to MARTHA ALLIN

They had ONE child at Bakewell..JONATHAN 14.09.1760..who went on the marry MARY BENNET 26.01.1784 at Bakewell..but there were no children..at least not at Bakewell.

Still looking elsewhere......

(Thanks Chrissie for your input)

Happy Christmas

Derek