Genealogy Chat

Have now got some new stuff for Glossop. new Mills and Hayfield........

Ah........goodie........if I copy and paste, can you see if your new info will cast any light for me.

You confirmed for me that John Hall Bap. 20/04/1760 Married Ellen Kinder Born c 1760. I know they had one son Robert Hall born c 1786.........do you know if there were any siblings ?


Next question.John's father.

I have found two possibilities, well I hope I have.

No 1.........Henry Hall Bap. 20/06/1731 in St Oswald Ashbourne Derbyshire
or
No 2........Henry Hall Birth 1738 in Norton Derbyshire

I will have to go back and check. I think it was No 1 that had a father listed as Henry.as well.

Yes it was No 1

Thanks Derek :-)

Hi Joan..just a quickie for a start.....I have a John Hall born at HAYFIELD 03.02.1760..which would make your Baptism date right......His mother was Betty..but no father shown.....will delve..!!

Is the Robert Hall you mention (1786) the one who married Grace Robinson??? If so he was Born Chapel-en-le-Frith.....

Derek

Joan..just to complicate things I have now found the brith of JOHN HALL son of HENRY HALL..but no wife!!
Chapel -en le-Frith 20th April 1760..so ignore the previous one.
And you can also ignore henry hall from Norton, because he married Hannah Fox in 1762 at Norton..too late to be father of John 1760
Derek

Hello Derek

Sorry not to have got back to you sooner about my Tattersalls, I thought I'd thanked you for the Baslow info but must have overlooked it after I printed it off and then missed your next message, sorry.

I would like to find the marriage of Robert Tattersall and Elizabeth? they were the parents of George b 1793 who married Mary Hutchinson also the deaths of any of these people. I think George died between 1829 and 1844 as Mary married again in 1847 to Abel Holmes. I've got George's last child being born in Riddings so maybe that's the area where they were buried.

If you send my any Tattersall info you find in the Chesterfield area I'll wade thru it and see if any are mine.

Many thanks
Regards
Kathleen

Hi Derek, Yes John Hall did marry Grace Robinson. I am intrested in his children..........Is that OK..........I know you enjoy this delving, but I do feel guilty giving you all this work.

So is the father not Henry? This familt tree delving gets confusing doesn't it ?

Hi Joan..no i'm not saying the father is not Henry..jusy not thr Norton one.....jury is out on the Ashbourne one...will find him!!

Derek

Thanks Derek, Will keep watching this space.

Hi derek
Rhonda Sly here from OZ I have hit a brickwall with a
John Needham
possibly born 1821c
Mother maybe Martha Brown
Father John Needham?
John was transported to Launceston Tasmania in 1839 aged 17yrs
have him in Australia but now trying to trace him back to UK
any help would be appreciated
could you check out you Derbyshire records as I believe a lot of Needham's resided there.
Cheers Ronni

Hi Rhonda........so many needhams in Derbyshire.I don't suppose you know where in Derbyshire???? Have been throught 40 of my discs and not found him..or his parents...how much faith have you in his suggested parents?

I have found a JOHN NEEDHAM..one of 190 convicts transported to Van Diemens Land of 5th April 1839..aboard the "EGYPTIAN"..sentenced to 10 years.
But he was sentyenced at the Central Criminal Court in London.

What evidence have you that he csme from Derbyshire???
ADDITION just after midnight in England!! Is the the John Needham who was given permission to marry MARY MORAN 24th December 1844?
Derek

Hi Derek
I am looking for a marriage in Duffield 12 Nov 1821 for Sidney Davies (female) and Joshua Woodward, (from the IGI) I would like to know if there is any other info on there such as parents names, residence etc. Also the baptism of Sidney Davies about 1803 in Holbrook again parents names etc.
I hope you don't mind me asking this.
any info would be great.
P.s if you don't have these records would it be worth me going to matlock?
Thanks Jane

Hello jane.I donj't have the Duffield Records..but I can tell you that Duffield ..Holbrook Belper are all virtually the same place........

Sidney Davies was baptised 30.08.1803 at at belper..daughter of Thomas and Mary.
I intend to go to Matlock this coming week.so if you have any more ammunition i can probably save you a trip

Derek

Thanks Derek, Could you see if the marriage of sidney Davies and Joshua Woodward 1821 is at Matlock, I am interested in Joshua Woodward's parents, I have found out that Sidney had a son Joseph in 1837 in the Derby Workhouse as a single mother and i want to find out if she was actually widowed or just single as this would tell me if Joshua Woodward is the father of Joseph ( my grt grt grandfather).( because Sidney later remarried and that is where we have our surname of Bedford from)
any info you find on this family would be really good, if you don't mind that is.
Many Thanks for the sidney info.
Jane

I'm going to Matlock Records Office this Thursday or Friday.....any more problems you need haelp with????

Derek

hello deriek i am hopeing that you may be able tohelp me proove a family story that florance nightingale was my gt gt gt grandmother.s cousin or put this myth to bed

my gt gt gt granddad thomas fulwood 1804 born ilkeston married nancy or ann nightingale born c 1805 ilkeston they had a daughter martha born 1825

who married william purdy born 1821 selston notts
no hurry just when you can fit it in 10 bottles of scotch on offer for you to enjoy me and my many cousina would be so gratefull sally

Hi Sally..God i could get soooooooooo drunk!!.I'll do my best............to help you.not get drunk!!

Derek.

hello derek thanks you loverly fellow
sally

Hi Sally.I've been asked to do this before..with no luck....the person concerned was adamant that there was a family link when there clearly wasn't.....she went off in a huff!!

I don't know whether you know anything of the Histroy of the Nightingales but here is a lecture!! lol

Florence Nightingale's father was WILLIAM EDWARD SHORE.a most important person!!! He wasn't even a Nightingale...He was born 1794 in Sheffield......and at some point tokk over the Business of a Great Uncle called Peter Nightingale. For some reason best known to himself he changed his name to Nightingale on February 21st 1815.....

Which causes a massive proble4m for anyone trying to trace their family back to Florence.You'd be surprised how desperate some people are to prove a link.

I have access to family trees from America that specifically state that William was born in the USA..totasl lies!!!

However.another problem is that Florence never married nad had no children..but she did have an elder sister PARTHENOPE FRANCES NIGHTINGALE born 1819 who married HARRY VERNEY 18.01.1894 and had a daughter Emiy Verney

Now any present descendants of that family would have a genuine GGG(however many times!!!) Great Aunt....or cousin...Florence Nightingale..

Your Ann NIghtingale born Ilkeston 1805 was born 15 years before Florence, and I'm afraid is VERY unlikely to have any link to Florence.

The only possible link would be back to the Great Uncle of William Shore .i.e Peter Nightingale..but I've been there befroe and its a nightmare!!

I presume you're aware that Florence and her sister were born in italy??

I'll keep looking Sally, but I think "putting the fairy tale to bed" is probably the sensible thing to doAll the best

ADDITION 1615 Tuesday.........Ok.....Another problem we have is that the Nightingale family were only in derbyshire for a very short time from 1823........then they moved south to hampshire and to the West end of london!!

Peter Nightingale had no children..so that's a dead end...His sister Ann is the Great Aunt of Florence, having married a geroge Evans who's sister Mary married Edward Shore senior.........
Florence had no children and her sister married Sir Harry Verney in Hampshire..........unlikely to yield any way back..

TYhe only other link is back into the SHORE family.....

The sister of WILLIAM EDWARD SHORE NIghtingale) married a Samuel Smith.She was `called Mary Shore and anyone finding a way back to her would find her to be Florence Nightingale's AUNT..as in her father's sister. Clealry such present day descendants do exist..but not in Derbyshire.

So i think you are,as they say, paddling up the wrong creek....

Unless anyone can find fault with my reasoning!! would be glad to hear from them!!

Derek

hello derek thanks for that idid know about the name change the cousin that had a look intto it before computers said he changed his name so he could accept an inheritance

so [erhaps i.m barking up the wrong ancestor well if you can find a link ok but don.t worry too much happy drinking thanks very much sally

Hi Derek
Just one more thing if you could, I would like to know when Joshua Woodward died he married Sidney in 1821 in Duffield, and by 1837 she was a single mother, its not much to go on but your brain might think differently to mine in the detective sense!!!
Thanks
Jane