Genealogy Chat

Hi Benjamin sorry cant tell you john's first wifes name {dont know ,all I do know is that his childrens ages almost tallied with Hannah's three girls...ie 1891 census
Tilson Hannah 39yrs
Tilson John 47yrs
Lucy Dwyer 18yrs
Tilson William 15yrs
Tilson Frederick 10yrs.
Tilson Ada 8yrs
Dwyer Eliza 8yrs
Harriet not at home she's
with Hannah's Sister in Yorkshire {10yrs old}
and John and Hannah's Daughter Maud Elizabeth wasnt born until August 1891.Jean P's sorry not got back befor had visitors.

Hi Jean

If Harriet was born in Dec 1880, she'd have been concieved in about March or April so that was plenty of time for Hannah to get pregnant again.

Who was John Tilson's first wife and when did she die?

Hi Christina I didnt actuly say he wasnt mine athough he was born June 1879 I found he died March 1880 So unless G,Granma Hannah was already pregant with Harriet {my Granma} as she was Born 12th Dec 1880 but wasnt registered 1881.I supposs he could be mine might be worth losing £3.oo to find out eh ??Jean

Jean, What makes you think the Henry Dwyer born 1879 in Poplar wasn't another of their children?

Hi Ben forgot to say John Tilson was a widower himself with three of his own children he brought into the marriage two sons and a daughter so poor old Hannah had six to fend for after Lucy died,she never married again but took in lodgers.Jean

Hi

If Hannah remarried within a year she must have known John Tilson beforehand and he probably was a friend of the family or was a shoulder to cry on for her when Henry died and a bond formed between them. It is a shame that he died 5 years later but you have to bear in mind that people had rubbish lives in those days, especially in crowded cities such as London.

TB was a nasty illness in those days. There were very few remedies for the illness and if you developed the full disease, it was virtually terminal. It also took some time to kill so the sufferer must have been in a lot of pain and if so, would need to be kept away from others for fear of infection.

Ben

Hi Benjamin as i believe i mentioned that Samuel Henry Dwyer was born 8th September 1872 and died on the 30th September 1872,Father Henry Dwyer,Both Birth and death cert only give Bloxwich as place of B/D.Henry died 23rd March 1888 living at 29 Tooke street they seemed to move up and down the street at will as I one addy at number 10/13and one at 29,and on the 22nd December 1888 Hannah married John Tilson but then he died in 1894 of TB as Lucy Ann {born 1874} who died of the same thing a month later {as Lucy Ann Haines aged 20years old}.Jean

I just researched.

Bloxwich is in Walsall near Birmingham. Lucy Dwyer was born in 1874 and there were no more birth in Walsall district until 1880. There was a birth in Poplar in June Qtr 1878 for Eleanor Elizabeth Dwyer. Its a pity mothers maiden names arent in the indexes for that time. You need to maybe check any records to see if Eleanor or Henry is born to Henry & Hannah.

I estimate a move to London inbetween 1875 and 1878. I am in the opinion that once Lucy was born, the family decided to move to London for better wages.

The birth of Lucy probably pushed them to move to London. A lot of people grew up in London probably never knowing they werent actually born there but their parents had moved there when they were a baby. My above mentioned gggran was a fine example of this. I bet she'd of been gutted if she found that she wasnt actually a birth Londoner.

When did Hannah remarry and how long after Henry died in 1888?

Ben

Hi Jean.

Where is Bloxwich by the way. If you tell me I can find out which reg district and look up any Dwyer births for you.

Ben

Thank you Benjamin for your input,they{Henry/Hannah}had another Daughter Eliza in 1883 then Henry died 5yrs later in 1888,and Hannah remarried and the whole family plus another new baby with new husband moved to Custom House E16 where Harriet {my Granma}married and had her family all born there right down to my mother, Hannah lived to be 76yrs old and died in 1924.its the years in between 1874/to 1881. I cant find any trace of them.Jean

London was the magnet for people from all over the country. If a couple needed better money opportunities, and had just had a new baby, then they'd often move there to better their earning opportunities.

Nicky/D/S Sorry didnt answer last night but was way past my bed time,thank you for that suggestion will look up other ways of spelling Dwyer such as maybe ?? DEWIRS!!.Jean

Well Bermondsey, is near Millwall, so maybe they did have relatives in the area........ are you sure thae family havn`t been mis transcribed.?



Nicky

Thank you every one for answering my querie but im now off to that place they call the land of dreams nite nite sleep tight one and all Jean.

Sorry christina my Baby Samuel Henry..Born 1872 Bloxwich Did three weeks after he was born {got both certs}Harriet born London.1880 registered 1881. Jean

Thank you christina been in bath ,no ignoring you thanks for trying !! Jean.

Hi Nicky/d/s Harriet was born in Tooke Street poplar millwall as far as i have found out there was one other birth in Bloxwich a son Samuel Henry born 8th sept 1872 but died on the 30th the same month so he only lived three weeks,on the 1881 census Henry was a laborbora{spelling? no they didnt have any relations in London as Hannah came from Brockmoor Stafford and im not sure when Henry became a collier as the last sighting before his marriagein 1871in Pelsall Stafford was in Bermondsey on the 1851 as a 4year old then the whole family dissapeared {his that is} .Jean

Hi

Yes Nickys suggestions are worth considering.

As an example of this, My great, great grandmother Kate Roberts was born in Sussex in December 1863 but her parents Thomas & Mary Ann moved to London a couple of months later. The 1871 census for then in Bow gives her correct birthplace whereas subsequent censuses give London as her birthplace. She probably though that she was born in London but wasnt actually.

Ben

Have just seen a birth registered for a Henry Dwyer 1879 in Poplar. Baby Henry Dwyer died in Poplar in 1880. So that takes you back to them being in Poplar by 1879.

Jean..... You don`t say in your posting where Harriet was born, if she was born in Bloxwich, then they obviously had only just moved to London by the 1881 census. Did they have other family members in Millwall?, they may have stayed with them initially. I see Henry was a Collier in 1874, what was his occupation in 1881? is it something that may be in a trade directory?. Also there is a quite big age gap between the 2 children, have you found any possible other siblings who may have been born and died before the 1881 census, you would need to check birth/death registerations for both areas Bloxwich.....sorry I have no idea what county that is in, and Poplar/Millwall, this may narrow down the time frame in which they could have moved.

Nicky

EDIT.... sorry ,see there have been postings while I was typing, still may be a good idea to check the births/deaths though.