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LOL....well if she died in 1847..then the 1841 has to be the last with him in it with Esther ( or who ever she is)..after that,,hes on his own..unless remarries.

Which means they both born 1811.

If we talking.

1841 England Census
about Joseph Hubbard
Name: Joseph Hubbard
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub registration district: Haggerston West
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Heslop 30
Amelia Hubbard 1
Elizh Hubbard 30
Joseph Hubbard 30
Joseph Hubbard 8

Ok.....theres this family in 1851 census..but ages not same as 1841..they sholud be 40..not 48
Name: Joseph Hubbard


Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsoken, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Walsoken
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wisbeach
Sub registration district: Terrington St Clement
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
William Altiam 26
Ann Hubbard 17
Edward Hubbard 43
Elizabeth Hubbard 48
Joseph Hubbard 48
Joseph Hubbard 6
Mary Hubbard 23
Robt Hubbard 12
Susan Hubbard 15

And this one..

Name: Joseph Hubbard
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Burton On The Wolds, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: North Thurmaston
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Barrow Upon Soar
Sub registration district: Barrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
Charley Hubbard 7
Elizabeth Hubbard 49
Joseph Hubbard 53
Mary Hubbard 29

This ..date of birth 1811..could be?
Not Esther( Eliza)..as she died 1847

Name: Joseph Hubbard
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Reasby, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Rearsby
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Barrow Upon Soar
Sub registration district: Barrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 56
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hubbard 8
John Hubbard 10
Joseph Hubbard 40
Priscilla Hubbard 13
Thomas Hubbard 16

This,,,.....

Name: Joseph Hubbard
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Hunts, Bluntisham

Civil Parish: Walsoken
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wisbeach
Sub registration district: Terrington St Clement
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
William Altiam 26
Ann Hubbard 17
Edward Hubbard 43
Elizabeth Hubbard 48
Joseph Hubbard 48
Joseph Hubbard 6
Mary Hubbard 23
Robt Hubbard 12
Susan Hubbard 15

Lots to choose from

Name: Joseph Hubbard
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Clent, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Kingswinford
Ecclesiastical parish: Quarry Bank
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub registration district: Kingswinford
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Hubbard 11
Elizabeth Hubbard 45
James Hubbard 25
Jerusha Hubbard 18
Joseph Hubbard 55
Josiah Hubbard 9
Robert Hubbard 24
Edwin Walton 23

Any guess's?....lol

Name: Joseph Hubbard
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabth
Gender: Male
Where born: Buy, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Bury St Edmunds St Mary
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bury St Edmunds
Sub registration district: Bury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 143
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Cook 31
Alfred Hubbard 2
Elizabth Hubbard 32
Joseph Hubbard 31

And on.....

Name: Joseph Hubbard
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizh
Gender: Male
Where born: Newington, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 39
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hubbard 7
Elizh Hubbard 46
John Hubbard 14
Joseph Hubbard 40
Joseph Hubbard 17
Willm Hubbard 13
John Mill 12

Hi all

Firstly may I apologise, I typed "Joseph" and it should be "James", and Esther really sorry.

Hopefully the following will answer some or all of your questions. In the 1841 Esther was living with James (both ages shown as 40), her sons Joseph, James and presumably daughters Frances and Matilda - it is correct that relationships are not stated. Joseph (my 2 x gt grandfather) and James have since been found on census returns post 1841. Re the marriage certificate, I found the copy of it at the London Met Archives, originally the entry was found on Pallots, however there are two entries for a James Hubbard or Jas Hubbard and Esther Wallis, one for 1814 and one for 1822, unfortunately the one for 1822 could not be found on Micofiche only 1814, I also agree with your calculations being too young, until I found Esthers death certificate which I have a copy of 25.6.1847 in 22 George Street, Shoreditch aged 50, would have made her age at marriage 17.

Coming further forward, the names Frances, James and Joseph have been repeatly used in my other "Hubbards", but not Matilda. Also my James (3 x gt grandfather) was a "Carver" or "Cabinet Maker" who re-married a Sarah, one of the witnesses was the same on Esthers death certificate. Finally unfortunately the witnesses on the marriage in 1814 are not that clear.

Again sorry for wasting your time "Boogie" and "Yummymummy" but am really grateful for you both looking at my post.

Thanking you.

Er?.....so what saw it we were looking for again?...lol

Hi again,


On the 1851 census after Esther had died, James remarried to Sarah in 1849 (didnt hang about) and both were living in Bethnal Green, none of the children were with them. I also have found James Junior living with his wife Louisa and daughter, but I have not been able to locate Matilda, Frances or indeed my 2 x gt grandfather Joseph (Tobacco Manufacturer/Operative) on the 1851 or at least confirm for definite - Joseph never married until 1854 to my 2 x gt grandmother Sarah Ward.

Going back to the 1841 census it states "St Leonards, Shoreditch" they were living at George Street, which seems to be a key address in some birth/marriage/death certificates.

Im guessing at least, that Hubbards came from round the Shoreditch/Mile End areas, I have got a possible link to James Snr (his father was Samuel) according to his latest marriage certificate to Sarah found on the IGI for 1786, but again another birth year difference???

Cant think of any relevant info at the mo, I really must get dressed!!! lol - hubby is waiting to go out, but I will be back later.

Bye for now.

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
James Hubbard 21 Oct 1795 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England 18 Oct 1795

Norfolk looks good bet as this looks like this could be James christening...

1841
Esther Hubbard abt 1801 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch,
James Hubbard abt 1801 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch, Middlesex
They may be living in the same house but they are two separate families.

Could have moved to Shoreditch (London)?

Posted earlier by me

Name: Esther Hubbard
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub registration district: Holywell and Moorfields
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Brown 40
Esther Hubbard 40
France Hubbard 10
Matilde Hubbard 14

Posted by Yummy

Name: James Hubbard
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub registration district: Holywell and Moorfields
Household Members: Name Age
James Hubbard 40
James Hubbard 17
Joseph Hubbard 9

Hi all

Thank you for all your posts, bit of a wild goose chase at first, Im afraid!!

In trying to get ideas on finding my Esther, I think ive made a real hash of things by posting it on here - lol

In reference to the death that Boogie, kindly posted, this is in fact Esthers grandaughter, "Esther Mary", daughter of James Hubbard Junior and his wife Louisa.

Name: Esther Mary Hubbard
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Shoreditch
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 143

In respect of the 1841 and Jims reference:
QUOTE
1841
Esther Hubbard abt 1801 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch,
James Hubbard abt 1801 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch, Middlesex

They may be living in the same house but they are two separate families.
UNQUOTE

I read somewhere that they sometimes listed males first in order of age followed by females, I do not know who the Elizabeth Brown or others of a different name listed are who are in the same house, but feel that Esther + Frances and Matilda are part of the same family and related to James, James and Joseph - obviously this needs to be checked out before I totally claim them as my own, but just by all the relatives I have since found, the names seemed to have been handed down, i.e James, Joseph, Frances, Esther but no Matilda, however there is a Maud from memory.

You have given me a few ideas going forward which I will now be looking at.

Thanks everyone.

I have found another marraige Jas Hubbard and Esther Wallis married 1822 St. Dunstans Stepney found on ancestry and Pallots, Sheila

Not sure if this helps. These all have parents James and Esther.

WILLIAM HUBBARD
Gender: Male Christening: 30 AUG 1829 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England

77. JAMES HUBBARD - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 03 SEP 1826 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England

78. JAMES HUBBARD - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 16 OCT 1831 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England

79. JOSEPH HUBBARD - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 03 SEP 1826 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England

80. JAMES FREDERICK HUBBARD - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 18 AUG 1816 St Botolph Bishopsgate, London, London, England