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Greeting’s again. ...... Dewdrop.

Just using the resources I have to hand. .......
I can confirm the Marriage of :~

April.~ May.~ June Quarter. 1855.
Thomas Norman. ~ Louisa Rodwell.
Blaby District. ( Which covers Knighton. )
Cert No. 7 a 103.
Checks out in BOTH Names.

But I will need to check out the Parish Registers for Louisa’s Baptism.
Plus I will have a look at the Marriage.
Next week at the Records Office.
But It’s looking good..going on the 1841. Census returns :~

HO 107/ 599. / Bk. 1 / Fol. 6. / Page. 6.
Knighton.

John Rodwell. 35. Lab.
Jane. 30.
William . 12.
Elizabeth.10.
John. 6.
Green. 5. ( Male. )
LOUISA. 5.
Martha. 2.
Also within Household :~

John Rodwell. 60. Ag. Lab.

All Born within the County of Leicestershire.

MIKE. xx

hi again mike

would like this confirming plz

louisa rodwell b1836 knighton parents john rodwell and jane achurch

also louisa marriage to a thomas norman abt 1855 knighton

many thanks

thanks mike the info you found is just what i needed

many thanks

Hi Mike

Just read your reply of 21st again, is it true of all tradesmen that if they worked for someone else they may not be included on the census. Surely they should have been included by the Head of the House
as lodgers.

Any luck with James Neal and Emily Foster marriage in 1828.

Thanks Sue

Greeting’s Again. ……. Carol O’ Ontario.


Oliver & Ann were living at No 35. not 33.

Transcript of 1851 Census returns for GRANBY Street.

27 Granby Street Ann Jordan Serv U 27 F General Servant Lei Ratby
29 Granby Street Robert Fox Head Widow Aged.23 M Butcher Lei Leicester
31 Granby Street Frances Hageman Head W 39 F Haberdasher Nth Kingsthorp
31 Granby Street Elizabeth Fitzhugh Moth W 76 F Annuitant Nth Northampton
31 Granby Street Fanny E Quin Vist 11 F Scholar Gls Cheltenham
33 Granby Street Thomas Clifton Head M 41 M Hair Cutter Lei Mkt.Harboro'
33 Granby Street Elizabeth Clifton Wife M 44 F Lei Knossington
33 Granby Street John Clifton Son 11 M Lei Leicester
35 Granby Street Oliver Fox Head Married. Aged.53 M Dairyman Lei Leicester
35 Granby Street Ann Fox Wife Married. Aged.51 F Dby Spondon
35 Granby Street Ann Fox Dau Aged.14 F Scholar Lei Leicester
35 Granby Street Edwin Fox Son Aged. 11 M Scholar Lei Leicester
35 Granby Street Thomas Wood Serv U 21 M Ag..Labourer Lei Belgrave
35 Granby Street James Clemence Serv U 18 M General Servant Rut Wring
35 Granby Street Eliza Woolmer Serv U 16 F General Servant Lei Marston

BURIALS :~
Welford Road Cemetery
Plot No’ U. G. 289.
289 FB Fox * Ann 1861 Nov 29 62 London Road Saint George 10480
289 FB Fox * Oliver 1862 Apr 17 64 London Road Saint George 10970
289 F Fox Henry Oliver 1862 Aug 13 7mths 116 Sanvy Gate All Saints 11295
289 FB Wagstaff Annie Elizabeth 1863 Sep 22 11wks 54 Humberstone Gate Saint Margaret 13000
289 FB Fox Emily Edith 1864 Aug 3 8mths 116 Sanvy Gate All Saints 14413
289 FB Fox Mary Alice 1865 Feb 9 3mths 116 Sanvey Gate All Saints 15255
289 FB Fox * Robert 1874 Sep 30 48 Brook Street Saint Margaret 32813
289 FB Humphreys Ann 1879 Oct 18 25 Albert Street Saint George 43133
289 F Wagstaff Ann 1918 Oct 31 84 43 Connaught Street Leicester 106080

BAPTISMS :~

ST. MARGARET’S PARISH CHURCH.:~

1824. Entry No. 1201. 20th. October.
Oliver. Son of Oliver & Ann Fox. London Road Farmer. W. Barnaby, Curate..

1827. Entry No. 655. 25th. April.
Robert. Son of Oliver & Ann Fox. London Road. Farmer…W. Barnaby. Curate.

ST. GEORGES PARISH CHURCH.:~

1831.Entry No.911. 7th. September.
Mary Ann. Daughter of Oliver & Ann Fox. London Road. Grazier. R. Barnaby. Curate.

1834. Entry No. 1612. 9th. April.
William. Son of Oliver & Ann Fox. London Road. Milkman. R. Barnaby. Vicar.

1836. Entry No. 2219. 4th. May.
Ann. Daughter of Oliver & Ann Fox. Granby Street, Milkman. R. Barnaby. Vicar.

1838. Entry No. 430. 12th. April.
Mary & Hannah TWINS. Daughters of Oliver & Ann Fox.
Granby Street, Milkman. R. Barnaby, Vicar.

1839. Entry No. 783. 30th. October.
Edwin. Son of Oliver & Ann Fox. Granby Street. Milkman. ..R. Barnaby. Vicar.

I can not see a Marriage for Oliver & Ann within Leicester/shire
Also checked out Spondon. Derbyshire, But NO luck I’m afraid
Same goes for Robert……..

Just have this feeling that both might have married in St.George’s Parish Church. ……
Then if so……I’m afraid that ALL Marriage Registers before 1853.
were destroyed by the BIG fire at the Church in 1911.

But for the moment I’m exploring other avenues…….

MIKE. xx

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Greeting’s Again. ……. Dewdrop.

St Cuthbert Parish Church
Great Glen.

BAPTISMS :~

1808.Jane. Daughter of William & Mary Achurch. …Bapt. 12th. November.
1811. Elizabeth. Daughter of William & Mary Achurch. …Bapt. ……15th. June.
1814. Sarah. Daughter of William & Mary Achurch….Bapt. ..21st. February.
1816. Ann. Daughter of William & Mary Achurch. ..Bapt…….26th. November.
1818. John. Son of William & Mary Achurch…..Bapt…..13th. December.
1821. William. Son of William & Mary Achurch. …Bapt…..21st. August.
1823. Mary Ann. Daughter of William & Mary Achurch. …Bapt. 28th.November.

BURIALS :~

1811. Thomas Achurch………..8th. October. ( NO other details given )
1825. Ann Achurch. Aged. 9……..10th. October.
1835. William Achurch. Aged. 60……20th. December.
1839. Mary Achurch. Aged. 16……..31st. August.
1855.Mary Achurch. Aged. 89. ……9th. May.

I can not see a Marriage for William Achurch ~ Mary ? Within Leicestershire.
Via…. any of my resources.

But will check the early Parish registers for Great Glen
Next week and report back on this thread.

Hope this is what you required ?

Jane's marriage details to John Rodwell
I've posted F.A.O. Pamela ( at bottom of this page )
You'll see that Elizabeth her Sisister was a witness to her marriage .

MIKE. xx

hi mike and thankyou

would like info on a jane achurch b abt 1808 great glenn leicester would like info on who her parents were please she married a john rodwell

many thanks

Hi there
But I have been reading your replies, and none seen to contain Masters.
I really don't know if this is of any consequence.
But I lived in a village Lyddington, Rutland. for yrs.
When my parents and I first moved there. Two old ladies used to live in a house. although only 1 survived when we moved there,and lived as a hermit. The familys although only talk, thro the old village. That they had something to do with teachers at Uppingham & Lyddington school. Although I can't verify this info. It may lead your thoughts farther.
Good luck
Wendy sox1

Hello Mike

Thank you so much for sorting out my mess!! I shall amend my tree at once and add the occupation of Edward.

Might be difficult to find out who Edward was who died 1809. His mother was Mary Hall who married Edward Hall so I have to sort out which branch of Hall's she came from!!

No it's too late and it's been another long day so I shall not add more confusion - I did enough yesterday!!

Thank you again for your never ending patience
Caroline xx

Greeting's & Welcome Dewdrop ...

NO....... just post your request ......
I'll then do my best to give you an answer

Best book mark this thread so you can find us again.....

MIKE. XXX

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Greeting’s Again…..

EYES DOWN !!!! …….

Edward Hall c1775 and Mary Hall c1777 are my 4x G Grandparents.
Their son Charles is my 3x G Grandfather.
I want to find out for sure who Charles’ siblings are. On familysearch they give siblings.

My Reply.....:~

Note any alterations to your original message.

Parish Registers Read thus :~

1798 Charles. Son of Edward & Mary Hall. Bapt.12. June. J. Glazebrook. Vicar.

1803, William. Son of Edward & Mary Hall. Bapt…15th.June.

1805, James. Son of Edward & Mary Hall. Bapt…10th. June…Jno. Dalley. Vicar.

1806, Mary. Daughter of Edward & Mary Hall. Bapt. 10th. June.
.
1808, Elizabeth ANN. Dau. of Edward & Mary Hall. .Bapt…22nd Jun.
John Eddowes. Minister…Elizabeth. … Dies 2nd. Aug. 1820.

1811 Sarah. Dau. of Edward & Mary Hall……..Bapt. 18th. June.
John Eddowes. Vicar.

Now we Get Edwards OCCUPATION……:~

Entry No’ 18. June 14th.1814..:~

George. Son of Edward & Mary Hall.
Belton.
Stocking Maker.

John Eddowes. Vicar.

AND FOR YOUR BONUS POINTS :~

Baptism Registers ANNO DOMINI 1775.:~

EDWARD. Son of William Hall by his wife Mary.
Baptised…….9th. July. …Thomas Hastings. Vicar.
So....... you now have the next generation back

Also a signature for an Edward Hall Church Warden to Francis E. Gibbs
At the bottom of the registers A.D. 1795 ~ 6.

Also.. A Burial record that reads thus :~

BURIALS ANNO DOMINI :~ 1809.
Edward. Natural Son of Mary Hall. Buried ….May. 7th.

Not sure what to make of that one other than Edward was a Baseborn child.

So…. There we have it…….

Best delete the list I sent you within the marriage details of
John & Elisabeth Hoster…..A Senior moment on my behalf I think …Sorry.


MIKE. xxx

hi all
do i need to register on this thread for lookups

xx

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Greeting’s Pamela. …..

MARRIAGE Details for John Rodwell ~ Jane Achurch.

FICHE No’ D E 849. / 5.

Reads Thus :~

PAGE. No.’ 28.
MARRIAGES ANNO DOMINI :~ 1828.

St Cuthbert Parish Church.
Great Glen. ( Magna Glen )

John Rodwell. Bachelor. of the Parish of Great Stretton.
In the County of Leicestershire.

Jane Achurch. Spinster of this Parish.

Married in this Church by Banns.

This Twenty-second Day of August.
One Thousand Eight Hundred and Twenty Eight.

By Me :~ F. Tho’s Corrance. Vicar.

Both signed the Register by their Marks ….X times two.

In the Presence of :~
William Grain.
Sarah Achurch. ..by her Mark ….+

Sorry for the my first mistake regarding this Marriage.

MIKE. xxx

Transferd from Part 17.

27.08.08.:~
Posted by Carol at 15.33

Hi Mike,
I havent been in a long while, and hope you are feeling like your "old self" again!
I am trying to help a lady with "Fox" from Leicester and was wondering if you could find something for me?

Oliver Fox-born 1797-1798 Leicester and married to Ann ? who was born 1800 -Spondon Derby
Is there a maiden name for Ann?
Also their son, Robert Fox born 1825, no marriage found, but shows him as a widower in 1851 census-29 Grandby St. Leicester
and his father and Ann at 33 Granby St.
Can you find a marriage for him?

I would also like to know if Oliver had siblings, and Robert also.
Thank you, Houdini Mike (my name for you because of how you find so much, lol)

Hope your day is a good one, from across the pond
Carol in Ontario!

Hi Mike,

How is the search for a marriage between Henry Harley and maybe a Ann Street going....

But I have another question for you...
How far away are the parishes of St Margaret, All Saints, St Mary and St Martin and Anstey from each other??

Tks again and cheers

Karen of Brisbane

Sorry Mike…..confused myself!!

Edward Hall c1775 and Mary Hall c1777 are my 4x G Grandparents. Their son Charles 1799 is my 3x G Grandfather. I want to find out for sure who Charles’ siblings are. On familysearch they give siblings William 1803, James 1805, Mary 1806, Elizabeth 1808, Sarah 1811 and George 1814.

On a separate note, in April I sent you a message enquiring about the marriage of John Hall. On 24th April you sent me a message confirming the details of the marriage of John Hall and Elizabeth Hoster on 4/2/1688.

As well as the above you gave me some added information about Hall baptisms. You put some details of children born to Edward and Mary - Edward 1800, William 1803, Mary 1806, Elizabeth 1808 and Sarah 1811.

Both lists are nearly the same except the family search list has James and George listed and your list has Edward. I want to know if they are all one family and I haven’t made a mistake putting them all as siblings.

Sorry shouldn’t have put anything about John and Elizabeth in first message made it more confusing. Hope that is now as clear as mud!!!

I thought it might be asking a bit much to see if Edward’s occupation was listed!

Sorry for the unclear message, you’re right it has been a long day. Hope I have explained myself better.
Caroline xx

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Greeting’s again Pamela……

1st. May I apologise to you…….
I was miss directed to Gilmorton via one of my Disks.
After I tried to look it up in Gilmorton this morning at the Records Office
And got nowhere…..
Rechecked via other resources when I got back and ……
You were right about the first marriage of John Rodwell
it was at Great Glen…..

22nd. September. 1828.
St. Cuthbert's Parish Church.

So will check it out within the next 48 hrs at the Records Office.

In the meantime here are the details of the 2nd.Marriage to Emma Smith. .

Parish Registers read thus :~
Page. 44.
MARRIAGES ANNO DOMINI :~ 1863.
St. Mary Magdalene Parish Church.
Knighton. Leicestershire.

Entry NO’ 88….June. 21st.1863.

John Rodwell. Aged.29. WIDOWER. Labourer. Knighton.
Father :~ John Rodwell. Labourer.


Emma Smith. Aged.19. Spinster. Knighton.
Father :~ Thomas Smith. Labourer.

Married in this Church by Banns. By Me :~ T. Jones. Vicar.
John signed by his Mark ….X
Emma by her own signature.

In the Presence of :~

Thomas Rodwell.
Betty Wells. By her Mark …..X

Once again sorry for the hic up
Will get back to you on here A.S.A.P.

MIKE. xx

Greeting's again Frazzled .....

I'm not sure.... difficult to understand your message ....:0(((

I believe I've edited the 1st. bit right
but get lost after the :~

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Please could you check something for me. On family search.
The parents of my 3x Great Grandfather Charles Hall….

are Edward and Mary Hall.

Charles 1799…….. (My gr grandfather x 3 )

and he is listed with the following siblings:-

William 1803
James 1805
Mary 1806
Elizabeth 1808
Sarah 1811
George 1814

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This is were I start to loose the plot….. :~

When you were checking the marriage details for John Hall and Elizabeth Hoster 4/2/1688.

You also found some baptism details for the children of Edward and Mary Hall

Edward 1800
William 1803
Mary 1806
Elizabeth 1808
Sarah 1811


Do you think I have mixed up 2 different families who both have Edward and Mary for parents?
Could you please confirm which ones are Charles’ siblings for me.
Also if I am not being too cheeky could you please see if the occupation of Edward is listed.

Thank you
Caroline xx

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Mike's thoughts :~ .....

I doubt if the Occupation details will be given at the early dates …1700’s…….

Please can you re type the last bit to make it clearer, ? ……

Sorry it’s been a long day…….

MIKE.

“ Your very Welcome Jon O’ Kent…….”

If your puzzling with the months. ? …..

The system goes …

If there is an inquest
And the Cornier is satisfied there is no foul play.
After collecting all the evidence from the parties concerned.

Then he issues “An Interim Death Certificate” So as to bury the deceased.
But the Death can not be REGISTERED until after the inquest.
Hence it was not resisted until April June quarter.

Did not one of your relatives ( Bus Conductor )
get killed by a Railway engine outside a Leicestershire station ?

MIKE.

Hello Mike – our top man at the Records Office

Please could you check something for me. On familysearch the parents of my 3x Great Grandfather Charles Hall are Edward and Mary Hall and he is listed with the following siblings:-

Charles 1799
William 1803
James 1805
Mary 1806
Elizabeth 1808
Sarah 1811
George 1814

When you were checking the marriage details for John Hall and Elizabeth Hoster 4/2/1688 you also found some baptism details for the children of Edward and Mary Hall

Edward 1800
William 1803
Mary 1806
Elizabeth 1808
Sarah 1811

Do you think I have mixed up 2 different families who both have Edward and Mary for parents? Could you please confirm which ones are Charles’ siblings for me. Also if I am not being too cheeky could you please see if the occupation of Edward is listed.

Thank you
Caroline xx