Genealogy Chat

She's being very elusive but I do have a copy of her marriage certificate which gives her address at the time of marriage. Are there any web sites that list who might have lived at the same address at the time (in between census's)

Sue

Unsure of your question but....

If it was before 1901 then the answer is no.

Do you want to research backwards? Do you want to find her Siblings and Parents?

When was she born and where? (county)

Gerri x

In 1901 she's Mary Ann Howarth living in Sheffield but recorded as having been born in London Whitechapel. My nans birth certificate shows Mary's maiden name as Bridgeford but I can't find her birth. She married James Howarth on 12/9/1982 and at that time lived at 9 Daisy Court Sheffield. Her father was recorded as William. No idea who her mother was and not much luck with finding WIlliam either.
I'd like to find out more but I'm not sure where else to look.

Can you give the 1901 census details for us please - I have looked but cannot find any Mary Ann Howarth's born Whitechapel, with husband James. Was it mistranscribed?

Just trying to work my way backwards. I found a Mary Ann Bridgford with father William, living in Cambs - but trying to check if it could be the same person.

Athena

1901 for reference:

Name: Mary A Howarth
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitechapel, London, England

Civil Parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Netherthorpe Sheffield St Stephen
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Howarth 6
Hannah Howarth 4
Helen Howarth 1
James Howarth 32
Mary A Howarth 30
Sarah J Howarth 8

She's there in 1901, Athena. here's the source:

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4367; Folio: 5; Page: 1.

This is them. hannah is my grandmother

Hi Sue

Ok, I think I may have located Mary Ann as a baby on the 1871 census but not entirely sure.

The family is headed by a Mary Bridgford, 65, who is a widow. Living with her is her son, "W" (William?), 34 yrs, glass worker, with his wife Eliza, 23, and then there is a Mary Ann aged 5 months (noted as "daughter" on census so it looks like Mary aged 65 is the mother - but I think it means the baby is the daughter of William and Eliza).

Name: Mary Ann Bridgford
Age: 5 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: W
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St James Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Holborn
Sub registration district: St James Clerkenwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 118
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Bridgford 23
Mary Bridgford 65
Mary Ann Bridgford 5 months
W Bridgford 34

What do you think?

Athena

This looks promising. Thanks.

Sue

Does the occupation of her father look anything like the one mentioned on her marriage cert?

Can't find her birth - the closest to it was this entry - bit of a long shot but it's possible her name was a) misheard by the registrar and spelt incorrectly or b) mistranscribed over the years on the indexes (or it might not be her at all!).

See what you think.

Name: Mary Ann R Bridgman
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Shoreditch
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 123

Actually, just seen the post above re Britchford - I think that's a good one - sounds more like Bridgford when you say it!

I think it says optician for Willian thought the writings not good. Sounds wrong though because Mary herself couldn't write (She signed Hannahs birth certificate with a mark) and I would have thought an opticians children would have gone to school so maybe it says something else.

Also think Britchford is a good possibility.

Thinking sideways....

If William is an Optition he may appear in directories for the area.

Try a search on

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/

Hopefully the area and time frame you need are covered.

Chris

Possible in 1881?

Name: William Brichford
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: London, London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address: Back 35 Garden St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Glass Grinder

Registration district: Walsall
Sub registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Brichford
Clara Brichford 2
Elizabeth Brichford 32
Maria Brichford 4
Mary A. Brichford 10
Sahar Brichford 6
William Brichford 42
William Brichford 9

Oh, well done Ivy - that must be the same chap, surely - with such an unusual occupation and uncommon name.

I wonder if he ended up working for opticians, cutting the glass for the spectacles?

Athena

Mmmm....

William's occupations in 1871 Glass Worker and 1881 Glass Grinder could mean he was working for an Optition in 1882 as a lens grinder....Still working with glass.

Therefore it is possible that Mary 'upped' his occupation at marriage to Optition...Well he did work for one :)
Or there was a misunderstanding of her answer to the question 'Your father's occupation?'

Chris

Update ***Athena thinks (and therefore types) faster than me!! LOL :) ***

Thanks everybody. I think you may well have got them.

Sue