Genealogy Chat

Hi Ginny,

One branch comes to halt in 1845 (born Dublin, father's name on marriage certificate, but no trace of any other family); the rest are around 1780s ish.

I'm unhappy about parish register links (although there is a possible trail on one branch back to the 1590s) since I picked the wrong John to follow in the 1780s (sorted out when I checked against wills). 90% are ALs, with no wills found....I'm unconvinced by elderly parents' claims to the child on the census when there is a teenage daughter at home ... also, travelling to ROs is out the question for me these days ... I find the lack of info associated with names on a tree before 1780s means it just seems like lists - much more interesting to trace siblings sideways with the census - anyway, these are my excuses for not tracing further back!

yes interesting and they had a sevant.. I know that Horace died just after Jessie was born... Then along came my granny ruth she was not wanted and some of them went into a home.. are there home orphanage records about... Blimey this is exhausting but fun. xx

wow.. She are a pro. thanks againxx

Sorry Ivy.. I have looked back at some really old census for Uraih Jagger and can't even read them.. what do you do in this instance?

I start with the letters I can read - for instance, head, son, wife, mar, unm, single, parish where they are living - lots will be born there - and have a look to see how consistent each letter is - and then try to read everything else that the enumerator has written before attempting to read what he has put about my family - sometimes it becomes clear, sometimes not. Also, see how Ancestry and FindMyPast have each transcribed the info. Cross-check siblings names against the BMD info - the registrar's clerks tended to be tidier and more careful with names and with their writing.

Thank you margaret xx

thanks ivy xx

Horace's death:

Deaths Jun 1902
Phillips Horace 34 Dartford 2a 287

Where does the Battersea bit come from?

Rose

Horace's parents. This is where Ruth's name came from:

1871 England Census
about Horace Philips
Name: Horace Philips
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ruth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Household schedule number: 138
Household Members: Name Age
George T Hallier 21
Edgar Philips 2
Horace Philips 4
James Philips 30
James G Philips 6
Ruth Philips 28
Ruth Philips 3 months

Rose

1881:

1881 England Census
about Horace Philips
Name: Horace Philips
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ruth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 59 Keetons Rd
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 13a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edgar Philips 12
Horace Philips 14
James Philips 40 Scotland
James G. Philips 16
Jessie Philips 6
Laura Philips 7
Rosa Philips
Ruth Philips 38
Ruth Philips 10
William Philips 8

Rose

Many thanks ladies again! ginny xx