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Here's where you can find the Husbands Bosworth parish records:

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS/2002-06
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS/2002-07
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS/2002-08
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS/2002-09
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS/2002-10
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/LEICESTERSHIRE-PLUS/2002-11

Hi,

I don’t know where Jane (1856) is buried, but her daughter Jane Hamer Wells (1895 – 1946) is buried at Gilrose cemetery so it’s possible she is also buried there. To view these burials you have to go to Leicester Council in Welford Place to search which I will do as soon as I can.

I didn’t know that the Husbands Bosworth parish records were available online, so thanks for that. Although I did get quite far back on the Wells family using familysearch.org, I do need to confirm most of it for myself.

On Richard’s (1894) and Jane’s (1895) birth certificates, it has the address that they where born in and both of them are different from each other and from where Jane (1856) was living in 1901. I’ll add the addresses on here tonight when I get home, I have had a look for who lived at the addresses on various census, but have yet to find a connection to the Wells family. Maybe Jane was a servant at them at the time of her pregnancies.

Thanks,

Vicky X

Ellen and Harry Hamer are mistranscribed as Hames in 1901. They're at the Corner of Stanford Street and Church Road, Glenfield, Leics., with children Edith and Bertram H.

In 1891 they're at 10 St. Saviour's Road, St. Margaret's, Leicester.

Jane Wells and her daughter Jane H are at 1 Back of 38 Colton Street, St. Margaret's, Leicester in 1901.

I think she may be in London in 1891, working as a servant in Hammersmith.

do we have a address for jane hamer wells on the 1901 census
i have all the census disks for leicestershire but it would save me looking through all the areas.
mary can you find harry and ellen hamer on the 1901 census? i cannot seem to find them on that one or address on the 1891 to check that they are not still at the same address

That death for Jane does look promising. She isn't buried at Welford Road, because I checked. I had a look at the county burial disc, but it only goes up to 1891. There are quite a few Wells burials at Knighton.

By the way, did you know that Husbands Bosworth parish records are online, if you want to go back further with John Wells' line?

Thanks very much for your help Mary and Rose,

There are a few very strange coincidences. It is very strange that there is an Ellen Wells who marries a Hamer who live in Knighton at some point.

I was looking for a death last night of Jane Wells (1856) and I found a possibility in 1917. The birth year says 1852, but it could well be her. I’m going to order that cert in the hope that the informant is significant.

Thanks for your time and help,

Vicky X

I can't find any obvious connection between the (Eliza) Ellen Wells who married Harry Hamer and Jane Wells' family, apart from the fact that they all lived in Knighton at some point.

Ellen Wells' father Joseph and grandparents Samuel and Elizabeth were born in Knighton. They seem to have been fairly well off; Samuel was a stocking manufacturer, Joseph was a tailor, Harry was also a tailor, and he and Ellen had a servant.

Jane Wells' mother Eliza Jarvis and her parents Will and Jane were from Odstone, Leics., and her father John Wells and his parents Joseph and Mary were from Husbands Bosworth, Leics.

If there is a connection between the two Wells families it's too far back to explain why Jane would give her children the middle name of Hamer.

In view of what's on the younger Jane's marriage cert I would have thought her father might have been a Richard Edward Hamer, but I can't find anyone of that name.

The following people are buried at Welford Road Cemetery in plot F52:

Arthur Wells, buried Feb 29 1884, aged 12, abode Aylestone Park, Aylestone

Eliza Wells, buried Feb 8 1902, aged 71, abode 77 Richmond Road, Leicester

John Wells, buried June 27 1905, aged 72, abode Mowsley, Leicestershire

There's also a John Thomas Bailey from 12 Brunswick Street who died in 1861 aged 5 months in the same plot. He may not be related to them, as children were sometimes put in plots with unrelated people.

I've found Harry Hamer and his wife Ellen on the 1891 census; she was born in Northampton.

In 1881, Ellen Wells born in Northampton is shown as the daughter of widow Eliza Wells, also born in Northampton.

However, they're living in Knighton, so there's presumably some connection with Jane Wells and her parents.

Hi Mary, I have Richard's but that's all. Could you give me the rest please?

Thanks so much,

Vicky

That's a very interesting find, Rose. I've been looking at the censuses, and found 8 siblings for Jane Wells, but there isn't an Ellen among them.

Vicky, I've found burial details on the Welford Road burial disc for Jane Wells' parents John and Eliza, her brother Arthur and her son Richard. Do you already have them, or would you like them?

hello vicky
have you looked at the marriage of harry hamer to ellen wells . in leicester 1886 could be a possible sister to jane wells. you say she was down as a aunt to the children .

Hi Dee,

I don't have a death certificate for any of them. I don't know what happened to Jane Wells (born 1856, mother of Richard Hamer Wells and Jane Hamer Wells) after 1901.

Sorry I didn't mean to confuse you, all I mean is that on Richard Hamer Wells and Jane Hamer Wells birth certs, their mother is just Jane Wells. No maiden name.

Hi Mary,

My granddad is called Alan Milton born in 1933, on his birth cert is mothers name is Jane Hamer Milton formally Wells.

Thanks for your time and help,

Vicky X

What was your grandfather's name, and what does it say on his birth certificate?

You have completely lost me now.

What does it say on her death certificate about DOB/maiden name etc?

You may get more clues from that.

Dee

Hi Dee,

I did consider that when I first started looking at this side of the family, until I purchased Jane Hamer Wells birth certificate and it didn’t list a father. When I found out about Richard, I then purchased his birth certificate in the hope of shedding some light and again it listed no father and the mother was just listed as Jane Wells.

Interestingly, on both birth certificates the informant is listed as:
Jane Wells, Aunt, Present at birth, but I can not find another connection to a Jane Wells in the family!

Also on Jane Hamer Wells marriage cert in 1913, it lists her father as Richard Edward Wells. I would believe that she put this name to save face and to honour her brother but for the fact that she put a different middle name. There is a Richard and Jane Wells living in Leicester on the 1901 census, which is a bit of a coincidence, but again I can not find any connection between them and my Wells family.

Sorry to confuse you all, but my heads spinning with all the Jane’s and Richard’s!

Vicky X

In 1901, Jane Wells described herself as a widow...............but that may have been for the sake of propriety

Reg

Victoria

Going back to the name Hamer....have you considered the naming patterns in families. The children may have been given their grandmother's maiden name?

Are you absolutely sure these children were illigitamate? Wells may be the mothers married name and Hamer her maiden name....you are not clear in your post. Jane is a very common name back then and it is possible that a gentleman had a wife and sister by this name....just to confuse research!

I may have got the wrong end of the stick, but perhaps a marriage of Jane Hamer to a Mr Wells is possible???

Dee

Hi Margaret,

Yes that’s the right marriage. I think I will have to trawl through the marriages to find Bernard’s marriage to see if that matches what I’ve been told.

Thanks for looking for me,

Vicky X