Genealogy Chat

It looks like Thomas and sarah are Enoch's parents.

Elizabeth Enoch's wife had been married before...anfd had a son William Smith
I wondered if John T had been Smith...but the marriage was well before his birth.
What does it say on John T's marriage cert?
Joan

Good luck

Will check this thread for progress later!!!

Sue
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Hi Joan,
It gives Enock Shenton as father,It looks as though Elizabeth had left James Smith around 1860 because on 1861 census James Smith is living alone at the same address that is on William A birth cert marsh st,Shelton. I have found Enock & Elizabeth "mistranscibed" as Sheldon living as man & wife a couple of streets away with William A ,4 and baby Enock who later dies a few months old.
Complicated aint it. lol

Hi Gill do you know where any of them maybe buried and if so could you go look to see if there are any clues on the headstones? This trick helped start me as the headstone of my nans had her parents 1st names on.

Plus have you used the website I'm putting on for Staffordshire BMDs? Hanley library give it me and it can be found by searching google. I've found some marriages and births (even the marriage of my dads uncle never thought would get hold of I couldn't find on freeBMD) but the site is not complete yet.

www.bmsgh.org/staffsbmd/index.html

Hi Sarah,
Yes thank's I know Staffs BMD. Alot of them are buried at Shelton st Mark, but unfortunatly I believe there are know headstone or lists of buriels at Shelton, I did ask a few years ago but may go back to them incase i have the wrong information. Thank's for your interest.
Gill

Back from next door and trying to get a 6 month old baby with nasty cold to get to sleep.

I think that the fact you have John with a father called Enoch on his marriage certificate plus a census with both parents, and knowing his parents married before John was born makes it look fairly likely that Enoch and Elizabeth are John's parents.

After all with earlier generations you can be lucky to get one document of proof so not being able to find John's birth registration may not be significant.

Working backwards the ones that need being careful about are the marriage certificates where stepfathers are named as father. My great grandmother had a half brother who used the surname of her father on his marriage details. I keep expecting to be contacted by his descendants and I'll have to tell them that the surname they are using isn't really theirs.

Sue
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Hi Gill,

As Sue says, it can be tricky if the name on the marriage certificate is not the biological father. You have several birth certificates now - have you managed to link each of those birth certificates to a distinct different individual - either on the 1871 census, or to a death registration between the birth and 1871?

Hi Ivy,
Sorry been so long getting back, but we have been most of the day helping one of sons move house. I am guessing you mean the birth of William Arthur Smith, yes he was born 1857 in Shelton, Hanley (Marsh St) father James Smith & mother Elizabeth Smith(nee Taylor) I have the birth of Thomas Shenton father William & Eliza Shenton(nee Bennett) William is Enock's brother.
Gill

Hi Gill,

Sorry, I hadn't read the thread carefully enough - you had mentioned looking at certificates from 1864 to 1867, and by the time I was on page 2 I had lost sight of fact that you had used the parents' names as checking points.

(hope son is safely stowed and all backs are still in working order!)

Hi Ivy,
Lets just say I think I will sleep tonght!!!
Gill