Genealogy Chat

Hi Dea

I did try but struggling a bit with them. One is called W Fish and the other was M or N Towsend. Now i know the Townsends is the maiden name of Mark's gg grandmother but that was back in 1770's, so possibly they are one of the other descendants or someone, or could be totally unrelated. As for the Fish how on earth can I trace which might be him/her, no Fish in the family that I am aware of. Really don't want me to find out more my rellies!!

Gary

Gary,

I know there was a big gap before Mark's marriage to Ethel, but have you followed through on the marriage witnesses? - They are often relatives which might help to connect.

Dea x

Thanks for your help Dea. To check the absent voters list I need an address that he would have been residing at (or at least that's what Kensington records office have told me, don't know about Acton, will try contacting them). Thanks for the suggestion.

Julie, thank you for the information you have given me. One tree on Ancestry was mine but I removed it, the other you pm'd me about is infact my cousin and you will probably see another cousin of mine there too. Sadly despite about four cousins (possibly more) researching the Woodward's, no-one bothered to follow the line about the previous wife (or haven't told me they did if they knew about it) and some are only interested in the basic facts and not all the other details like I am LOL.

Thank you all for trying though, guess I may have to put this down as another family mystery, although I will try some of the other suggestions before I totally give up.

Thanks Gary

Julie,

Ohhh good ! - Hate to think I have upset or offended anyone - it is never my intention.

There are quite a few who have him on Ancestry and even more on this site who have him.

Strange, with all these connections, no-one seems to have any further info?

I have looked on lots of passenger lists etc and can't find any trace. - Even if you have found the correct one on 1891 (which seems very likely), he would still have had time to leave the Country and return).

Another thought - perhaps he was away fighting in the boer war (1899 - 1902) ? - I believe there is something called the 'Absent Voters List', which might at least show an address where he is missing from? - I don't know how to acces this list but perhaps you do?

Dea x

Hi Dea

I did switch off early yesterday as i have had that problem with my PC like everyone else has

I fully except your apologies

Julie x



Gary

is it you that has a tree on Ancestry, just looked again there are 3 people that had Mark on there..i'll see what i can find

Julie

Gary,

It was MY fault - It is clear on re-reading what you were wanting to find - The confusion was caused by my 'obsession' with going all the way back before I go all the way forward so that I can be sure I am following the correct person !!

It looks like Julie may very well have something with the 'Mark' on 1891 and I now understand where she was going with those marriage details - my previous post was not meant to offend her and I hope she has accepted my apologies.

I will see if I can find anything further but this is certainly a difficult one - Best of luck with it and I will certainly let you know if I find anything.

Best wishes,

Dea x

Thank you Jeanette will give that a go.

Thank you Julie can discount that one then. Wondering if the other one you have found is him, if it is could throw out this theory about him going abroad or possibly he is one of the ones who got married in Yorkshire. Arrggh so annoying LOL.

Dea thank you for the information you traced. However my original post was just a question for suggestions and I did state that I have found him on the census with his parents, but that the only census I could trace him after that was living with the Breed family. Someone suggested I put his details up to see if they could trace him in the censuses further on, which is what I did, so did not see the need to give his parents details as I knew that he was not with them. Sorry for any confusion. I am just trying to find his possible previous marriage before my g grandmother.

Thank you all Gary

Apologies Julie,

I had not picked that up - PLEASE do not leave the thread on my account, I have obviously missed something.

I will re-read.

Best wishes,

Dea x

I know Dea

But Gary was going to check the Wandswoth marriage which is what i have done

But i will from now on leave the thread

I have just realised - you have his marriage cert - This surely gives you detaiuls of his parents etc which would have saved us trawling for them.

Could you give us all the info you have and let us know what you want to find please.

We are willing to help but I just feel we are searching here for things you perhaps already know?

Dea x

Although this may well be connected, the Mark he is looking for was born c 1866.

Dea x

This is the Mark that married in Wandsworth

Mark Woodward
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, North
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Maggie Woodward 3
Margaret Woodward 43
Mark Woodward 45


Mark was married before to a Maria
Margaret was married before to a George

I found this on the 1891 there is no surname for Mark

Mark
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Handborough, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Nether Hoyland
Ecclesiastical parish: Hoyland St Peters
Town: Hoyland Common
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Darfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah 64
Mark 23
Wright Brearley 54
Ada Littlewood 2
Eliz Littlewood 53
Ernest Littlewood 4
Francis Littlewood 16
Joab Littlewood 28
Minnie Littlewood 13
Sarah Littlewood 33

His parents would appear to be Stephen Woodward + Julia Cottrell ?

You can find Julia c 1826+ STEPHA c 1829 in Handborough on 1851.

By 1861 - Julia is (without Stephen but not widdowed) - aged 40 (age a bit out bur they rounded down in 1851) - she has children Elizabeth, Henry, Ellen + Thomas (christening records for these and Mark on IGI)

On 1871 - children are with Stephen + LOUISE ??
she was born in same place as Julia and could in fact be using a middle name ?

This needs further checking but I thought I would put it on now so you can explore..

I will look further..........Let me know what you find.

Dea x

I was wondering too if he may have went abroad worth trying Ellis island/Island Garden sites for arrivalls in USA?

Hi Nicky

Thanks for the suggestion, have tried looking for him via that means but not much joy on that front either. May have to order each cert one at a time, LOL when i get paid next month.

Interestingly just re-read my cousins family book and in it he states that there was a rumour that Mark went abroad, possibly became a merchant seaman (although he weighed over 20 stone, wonder if that's true), so wonder if he did get married abroad somewhere. Could explain why no-one can trace him and why no record of marriage in the uk. Shame no-one knows exactly what happened to him.

Gary,If I was you I`d start ordering the Mark Woodward marriage certs as listed on FreeBMD one by one, using his fathers name and occupation as a reference checkpoint, each one will only be £3.00 if they don`t match. I`d start with the Wandsworth one as seems most likely as he was in Willesden in 1871, you can discount a few of the marriages as they have a middle name, which at least narrows it down a bit......I know its a bit long winded to do it this way but unless you can find him on the 1891 and 1901 census I can`t see how else you`ll find out, unless he`s there ,but been mistranscribed, have you actually tried to just search for Mark, born Hanborough Oxford, and his year of birth and parents names in either census, you get an awful lot of results that way, but you may find him.

Nicky

Looks like it's going to remain another one of my family mysteries then......have quite a collection of those now like many others.

Have to go out now, but will check back later on incase someone has hopefully located him for me.

Thanks Gary

There's too many to choose between.

Marriage could be anywhere.
My Hampshire-born Dad married in Wales.

His brother married a girl from near Southampton....in Yorkshire.

Gwyn

I must admit Gwyn I did think all those other areas were not possibles, except I was looking at the Wandsworth one.

Guess it could be he married in another area entirely.