Genealogy Chat

I urgently need help to trace Herbert Francis (or could be spelt Frances) Peppitt. I am told he was probably born in 1909 and had a sister who lived in Greenford in Middlesex.
I need to trace relatives of Fred's who can supply information about that side of the family for medical reasons.
Fred was to say the least was a bit of a character, he had a wife who I think lived in Middlesex, a son and two daughters there. The son may have been called Ian or Stephen and I think one of the daughters may have been called Anne.
He had other wives and had families with them. He died in the West Indies, where he had a house the address of which was 9 Arima Port of Spain Trinidad West Indies. He lived there with a woman called Korisha Jaglal and they had five daughters.

This is Herbert's birth:


Name: Herbert F Peppitt
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Francis
District: Willesden
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 549


Luckily, after 1911, so we know his mother's surname. Let's see whether we can find another Peppitt-Francis birth. (For idle genealogical curiosity, I'd make you do it yourself, but we'll make an exception!)

Okay, so this is his sister:

Name: Amy M F Peppitt
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Francis
District: Willesden
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 633


Baby steps ...

That was just me deleting a mistake.

I'd settled on this being Amy's death but missed the fact that the birthdate is a year out:


Name: Amy May F Arnold
Birth Date: 25 Mar 1912
Death Registration Month/Year: Nov 1997
Age at death (estimated): 85
Registration district: Bromley
Inferred County: Kent
Register number: D30
Entry Number: 132


But ... I might still think it was. It would not be unusual for an informant of death -- even a son or daughter -- to have an old person's year of birth slightly off, and the date there would be right for a birth registered in April-May-June quarter.

The significance of the death record is that the certificate could provide you with information, such as an address or the name of the informant who might be findable and who might have information.

This is the death of an Ian Peppitt:

Name: Ian Edward Peppitt
Birth Date: 26 Jan 1944
Death Registration Month/Year: Jul 2002
Age at death (estimated): 58
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Register number: B68A
Entry Number: 214


The surname is uncommon enough -- fewer than 40 deaths for that surname since 1984 -- that it might be a good bet that he is the person you're thinking of.

That death was more recent, so the certificate would be more likely to have current information on it.

My perennial advice is to obtain death certificates to ascertain the exact date and place of death, and then go to the local public library there (or enlist the reference service remotely) and look for a published obituary in newspaper archives on microfilm. Obituaries give children's names, and often siblings' and grandchildren's names, and even parents' names sometimes. (They do where I'm at, in Canada, and I assume they do in England.)

I'll leave off there and wait for your thoughts.

There are 2 members on this site with an Amy Peppitt, born 1913 in Middlesex, and Herbert Peppitt, born 1910 in Wembley Middlesex, in their tree.

There is also a member with an Ian Peppitt, 1936, and one with a Stephen Peppitt, 1957.

I suggest you contact them for furthur info.
[If you are a newbie click on the "search trees" near the top of this page]
good luck with your search.

There I go, forgetting the obvious again.

Well, I got as far as identifying Amy and getting the right birthdates!

hi Kathryn,
I've just updated, found a couple more contacts for Pauline, I hope she's still with us!

Thank you both so very very much. I am a complete newbie at this, tonight is my first attempt, and if I had not needed the information and to find other family members for medical reasons I would probably not have started this.
My grand-daughter has a heart condition which the specialist thinks is inherited and I need to find out more information on the condition and how long other members of my family who I am not in touch with have lived and what they died of if at all possible.
You have no idea just how much you have helped in just one evening.
Any tips for searching would be very much appreciated. Thank you both.

Hi Pauline,
Glad to help. Can you work out how to contact the Genes Reunited members with Peppitts in their trees?
If not we can guide you through it. I think that would definitely be very helpful to you.

Also you could try searching the online phone directories for Peppitts in the Middlesex area. Then you could perhaps send them a letter asking if they were related to you and explaining your problem.

Hi
I couldn't work out how to see the family trees, for Herbert Francis I couldn't even get the trees to come up to contact the owners. I did contact the owners of the trees with Amy peppitt in them and hope they will reply.
Regards
Pauline

Pauline -- just follow Krissie's instructions! I lined 'em up, she knocked 'em over.

There's no chance that the people in trees here at GR aren't your people. There just aren't enough Peppitts in that part of the world for there to be duplicates.

I know a little whereof you speak. When my dad died 5 years ago next month, he had recently been diagnosed with metastasized melanoma that would have killed him within a few weeks or months, not pleasantly -- but he died after only six weeks, after a rapid decline, and suddenly. When I mentioned our concerns about a possibly malfunctioning pacemaker to the funeral director, he contacted the coroner on his own initiative, the coroner called me, we chatted, he decided an autopsy would be a good idea but left it up to us to decide. My mum said yes, better to know. And in fact it was. The coroner called a few weeks later to say the report was ready, and to let my mum know personally that the cause of death was a quadruple coronary artery blockage -- never any symptoms or diagnosis -- and that since that was what my grandfather had also died of, at 65, it was a known inherited condition, and all of us kids must immediately go to doctors and be properly examined and follow orders. That was right about when my Bob was diagnosed with diabetes, so now we both count those carbs.

Enough babble. Go get those contacts sent to the GR members with your family in their trees, if you aren't doing it as I type! And good luck.

That's okay, Pauline -- those are the same two people who have Herbert. You only need to write them once. ;)

(Oh, hint -- you were putting too much information in. First and last names only. No "Francis". You can just search for the names one by one, don't bother with any dates or places, just first and last names. You'll see, if there are any different people with any of the other names you want in their trees.)

You can't see the trees without the owner's permission.You will have to contact them first to ask.

The 2 members with Amy in their trees [James and Brian] also have Herbert so you should be OK there.

If you click on "search trees" at the top of this page you will see search boxes. Just fill in the surname PEPPITT and forename IAN and click on "search".

You will then see 2 names, Brian is probably the same one you have already contacted [with Amy in his tree].
Click on the box "send message" next to Sandra's name and explain your interest.

Repeat the search with the forename STEPHEN and you will get 1 contact, Howard. Send him a message too.

Hope you can follow this.

Krissie -- I was right in the middle of checking the on-line phone directory when you posted about the GR members. ;)

Since that Ian had died in Hampshire recently, I checked there, and there were only about 6 listings, for instance ... although I couldn't really tell from this side of the ocean where they actually were ...

I still can't get the trees with Herbert Francis in them to come up! I must be doing something wrong but am at a loss as to know what.
Thank you ladies so much for your help I just hope they will reply. Once I have got the information I need I will write to you both and let you know the full story, as to why I do not know this side of my family, some of which I find highly amusing although the grand-daughter angle is not at funny and is infact very worrying.
If it was made into a film I don't think anyone would believe it!

Pauline! Stop saying "Francis"!

Just

Herbert
Peppitt

Nothing else. But if you've contacted the people with Amy, then you've contacted the people with Herbert.

Do you want one of us to send them a message to look at this thread and ask them to contact you?

that would be really useful,
thank you.
I thought if you were doing this search thing you had to use the full names, in his lifetime he always was called Fred.

Pauline,
It would be nice to hear how you get on.

It's not that unusual to know very little about a side of your family. I didn't know much about mine. My dad was an "afterthought" with old parents and in those days people didn't talk much about their families.

I'm off to bed now. I live in the Netherlands and it's 10 to 11 here. What time is it in Canada then Kathryn?