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Pamela
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13 Jan 2010 02:06 |
Hi Elizabeth, Thank you for your help so far. The info on the Hawkins will go into my notes as anything now may prove useful later. The Hawkin family seems to have been around Wickham since way back........... Same as another branch of my family the Daysh and Ings Daysh family.
Once again thanks and I shall carry on looking for William and Ann in the 1851/61 census..............I have found some of the children (thanks to others on this thread ) but not my grx2 grandmother. Bye for now, Pam
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12 Jan 2010 11:38 |
Hi Pam
No - it is an index that I have, not sure if the original would give name of father that far back.but I think this is him
Baptism at Wickham 22 Jul 1769-William HAWKINS s William & Mary
but which Mary ? !
Marriage-22 June 1758 at Buriton William HAWKINS Mary MARNER
Marriage-28 June 1758 at South Warnborough William HAWKINS Mary MARLOW
there is not a marriage at Wickham.
William and Mary also baptised 2 other children at Wickam 22 Nov 1761-Jane 18 Nov 1764-Betty
Buriels-Wickham 28 Apr 1784-Ann 12 Nov 1794-William 18 Apr 1827-Ann 50 23 Nov 1819-Mary 80 23 Nov 1828-Mary 93
I have these Hampshire Indexes Marriages 1754-1837 Baptisms 1752-1841 Buriels 1400-1837
so if I can help - just ask !
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Pamela
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12 Jan 2010 06:07 |
PS Elizabeth.........does your record of William and Ann's marriage their fathers names ?
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Pamela
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12 Jan 2010 05:59 |
Hi Elizabeth ..............sorry for taking time to reply........but I am sure the info you have found about William Hawkins and Ann Knight m. Wickham1795 is the next generation up. I know William b. in abt 1802 ( this is who I am looking for in1851/61 census) was the son of this William and Ann and it's possible he was older i.e., b 1797. The baptisms for the William and Ann children are my family,,,,,,,,,,the Frances b. Oct 1841 is my grx2 grandmother. So you have been very, very, helpful and I thank you. And the other interesting bit is that Ann was a Knight..........as this is another part of my family from the same area ie Wickham and Hambledon in Hampshire I am going to see if the connection within in the families is even stronger....Ann's grandaugther went on to marry a Knight !!!!!!! Best Regards, Pam
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ElizabethK
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10 Jan 2010 15:07 |
Not sure if this is of any help or only muddying the waters further !!
The Hampshire baptism Index 1752-1812 has 51 baptisms of William HAWKINS (:o(
The only one baptised at Wickham is:- 22 Oct 1797-William HAWKINS s William & Ann (!!)
This seems to be their marriage (there are 28 for the same period) 19 January 1795 at Wickham William HAWKINS Ann KNIGHT
The only William Hawkins baptised at Crondall was:- 23 Apr 1807 s Robert & Sarah
I think the baptisms of the children are on the IGI but from the Index Children of William & Ann baptised at Wickham 17 Jan 1830-William 17 Jan 1830-Caroline 03 Feb 1833-Eliza 22 Mar 1835-Harriet 19 Mar 1837-Amelia 23 Aug 1839-Georeg 29 Oct 1841-Frances
Cannot find Ann
I have looked for a marriage for William and Ann and the only one which fits is:- 15 December 1824 at Whitsbury (very much a ? ) William HAWKINS Marianne PERKINS
there is one in 1827 at Compton for a William HAWKINS and Hannah ROGERS in 1827 which looked intersting but the children are all baptised "William & Hannah"
but NO baptisms for a William & Marianne--just the ones for William and Ann
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Pamela
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9 Jan 2010 18:43 |
Catherine thanks for all your help................hopefully I might have news for you Best Wishes, Pam
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Pamela
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9 Jan 2010 18:42 |
Catherine .............that makes Eliza 2 pages ahead...............I wonder if her parents are somwere ther ?
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Pamela
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9 Jan 2010 18:40 |
Yes...............Hi Gywn,
That Eliza is my grx3 Williams Hawkins sister.................she married John Stares not John STONES ( Knightsroots: the name is wrong) he was a neigbhour of hers in Wickham. They married when his wife died. they returned to live in Wickham ( may have got married in Portsmouth to avoid "local gossip"). But the interesting thing is the address was given as Buckland........... which is more or less just along the road from Kingston Cross where Frances was living !!..............as you can see I have managed to trace other members of the family.
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Catherine
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9 Jan 2010 18:37 |
Eliza:- Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1661; Folio: 331; Page: 9; GSU roll: 193568.
Address: High Street
Sorry I have to sign off now and I won't be around for a few days, but I'll look in when I get back. Good luck Catherine
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Catherine
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9 Jan 2010 18:35 |
Possible that brother William died:- Deaths Sep 1844 (99%) HAWKINS William Fareham 7 56
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Gwyn in Kent
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9 Jan 2010 18:25 |
Not the right age for your Eliza, but I found an Eliza 47, a spinster marrying 1854,on the Knightroots site while browsing in the Portsmouth area. Her father William was a shoemaker.
Gwyn
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Pamela
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9 Jan 2010 18:24 |
Catherine.........I have a copy of that 1851 census with Caroline working for the butcher (page 11)...........can'nt see Eliza...........is she on the next page ? Pam
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Catherine
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9 Jan 2010 18:19 |
Eliza:- 1851 Eliza Hawkins abt 1836 Wickham, Hampshire, England Servant Wickham, Hampshire also working for the Franklin family. John Franklin (Master Butcher)
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Pamela
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9 Jan 2010 18:12 |
PS........the only readerable name on the marriage cert as a witness was "Elizabeth"
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Pamela
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9 Jan 2010 18:06 |
Thanks Catherine................ for the info about sister Caroline have followed that up and found she married shortly after ( Henry Churcher) and moved to Shedfield..........just outside of Wickham. This still leaves mum and dad, William and Ann, her twin brother William, sister's Ann, Louisa, Eliza, Harriet, Amelia and brother George.
Can't think what happened to them...........I did think that the page with them on in the 1851 census got lost or destroyed...........but it can't have happened again for 1861 ? Rg, Pam
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Catherine
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9 Jan 2010 18:00 |
Sorry Pamela, but I've just checked 1841 census and there is another Amelia Hawkins:- Amelia Hawkins abt 1838 Hampshire, England Portsea Town, Hampshire so she could be the one in 1851 census.
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Pamela
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9 Jan 2010 17:58 |
HI, The Amelia in the 1851 census we born in Portsea.........so can't be my Amelia born in Wickham.
There are quite alot of Hawkins in Portsea..........on reationship found to the Wickham ones.............yet !!!! Pam
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Pamela
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9 Jan 2010 17:52 |
Hi Everyone, I shall take time to look into all the info..............but heres what I know:
Frances married George Radford at St. Marys Portsea........her address was Kingston Cross ( think this is now Kingston Crescent) and St Marys would be a mile down the road. She married a gunner in the Royal Arttilary 1867 she had a son George 1869 (he was registered in an area that Wickham comese under). It might be that her parents moved to Portsmouth or that she did and the other sister, Amelia followed............looks like she's in service. ! at 13. I will have to see if it was a move to the Buckland/Kingston area of Portsmouth that is the answer.................or even Old Portsmouth /Portsea. Regards, Pam
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Catherine
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9 Jan 2010 17:48 |
Other sister Caroline wouldn't be on 1851 census either, as she was working as a general servant for William Franklin, (Butcher):-
Caroline Hawkins abt 1829 Wickham, Hampshire, England Servant Titchfield, Hampshire
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Catherine
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9 Jan 2010 17:33 |
If Frances married in Portsea, then that would explain why Amelia was there in 1851:- Name: Amelia Hawkins Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation: Sister Gender: Female Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Portsea Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity Town: Portsea County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: 21 North Street
Registration district: Portsea Island Sub-registration district: Portsea Town ED, institution, or vessel: 1o Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 26 Household Members: Name Age John Young 36 - Baker and Grocer xxxxJane Young 28 (1823) John Young 4 Louisa Young 3 Lydia Young 1 xxxxAmelia Hawkins 13 John Thompson 19 Robert Evonden 17 Ann Bailey 15 Lucy Doughty 52 Elizabeth Robinson 45 Mary Robinson 65
so there was another sister Jane:- Marriages Dec 1845 Hawkins Jane Portsea I 7 246 Young John James Portsea I 7 246
unless this is yet another family????????
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