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Hello, Margaret Manson and mgnv,

Thank you both for your postings, which are very helpful indeed,

MargaretManson,

I didn't realise the book had been published so recently; I will redouble my efforts to get hold of a copy.

I have been rereading your previous posting and have found that one of the winesses at a marriage could well be from another Kilkhampton family - Andrews - who are connected to William Greenaway through marriage (his younger brother James); This could potentially be an interesting line of research - were they members of the Andrews family who emigrated to Canada with William in 1846?

mgnv

Many thanks for supplying the URLs. I haven't had the opportunity, yet, to use them, but they will certainly make life easier when I do. The examples you have provided and the methodology of their use, especially, will be highly useful.

I am really grateful to you both for all your help, as, indeed to all those others who have posted. Just a week ago, I was desperately thrashing around for a lead - now opportunities abound.

Can anyone now supply a fifty hour day?

Kindest regards,

Martyn

Just picked this out of the sea of info on the previous page -- at one link I gave you:

http://www.nhb.com/hunter/page.htm

there is that person in Oshawa looking for surname Greenaway -- and also surname *Andrews*.

That site tries to make sure that the email addresses on the messages posted are current, so you should have a good chance of reaching that person if you send a message.

Good evening, JaneyCanuk,

Many thanks for pointing out the entry enquiring about 'Greenaways' and 'Andrews' families.

Following this reply I am going to set up a geemail account and respond to that person. It looks as though, hopefully, it could possibly be a fruitful contact.

Again, many thanks for all your assistance - I will let you know how I will get on.

Kindest regards,

Martyn

Hello JaneyCanuk and MargaretManson,

Juist an update to share the results of your assistance.

MargaretManson

Regarding the book; I could not find it in the UK, so I e-mailed the author; Kathy Berquist. She confirmed it was not distributed in the UK, but has kindly offered to send me a copy. Additionally, Kathy has been in contact with Keith Greenaway's daughter, who asked for my contact details to enable her to personally contact me. It transpires she is a fellow family historian, so I am looking forward to see what she can add to my knowledge of the Greenaway family. (I also, unfortunately, learned that Keith Greenaway, the subject of the book, sadly passed away very recently, aged 94!)


JaneyCanck,

I have yet to tackle all the information you and others have kindly supplied. I did, however contact the person on the Port Hope website who was looking for information on Greenaways. It transpires, however, that her line of the family originated in Poundstock, Cornwall, rather than Kilkhampton, which is a shame. We have, though, agreed to share any information that is relevant to one or the other. I have also requested my name and details be added to the website - you never know....

As I said, just an update; I will tell you more as I learn of it.

Kindest regards,

Martyn

I'm really wondering whether the Port Hope Greenaways aren't really the Poundstock Greenaways, and not your crew at all. That really is the impression I got from how the names in the early Cdn records all matched up with the Poundstock crew.

Your family lore might be based on an assumption somewhere along the line that wasn't accurate (as so many of our bits of family lore so often are).

Good morning, JaneyCanuk.

I can certainly see why you are starting to doubt the Kilkhampton/Port Hope link.

However, there is apparently evidence coming my way - from Keith Greenaway's daughter - which, I am led to believe, upholds my belief.

There is also anecdotal evidence that two Greenaways from Port Hope visited Kilkhampton looking for evidence of their ancestry. This, of course, could come under the 'family lore' category, too.

However, I will keep digging, to see what turns up - if anything! Unfortunately, I am about to have an operation on my eye, so I have had to severely restrict my use of the computer (rigorously policed by my wife!!). However, once fixed, I will be raring to go, again.

Kindest regards,

Martyn

Ah, eye operations. Mine are well known hereabouts! Botched cataract surgery three years ago led to a lens reimplant, vitrectomy and removal of retinal scarring back in September. Apparently I have the rare condition of having no "spokes" holding the lens membrane to my iris, so I now have a kind of free-floating lens sitting atop where it should be. I still haven't been able to get a straight answer as to whether the original surgery was botched or it's all just because of my missing spokes, actually. But it's been fun.

So I know somewhat of the joy you are having. Demand enough sedative before and during the excitement that you are somewhere else, is my advice! Best wishes, and just update us as and when.

Hello, Janey Canuk,

Many thanks for your best wishes, though your experiences of the cataract operation I found a bit disturbing............it's a cataract op. I'm to have!
I had a corneal graft a few years back, which went well, but the subsequent medication (steroids) led to the lens being attacked. My consultant wants to do the job herself............. and with me asleep :-)

Regarding my Greenaway research, I think you could be correct in thinking the Port Hope clan are the Poundstock ones. I have subsequently learned that my lot initially went to Port Hope, but then moved on 'further west.' Looking in the 1881 census, it appears the family settled at Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario. Do you know where this is? William and his son, William John, were entered as farmers, so presumably, must have bought some land and farmed it between them.

As I find out more, I will keep you posted, but if you can find out more about that area of Ontario I would be keen to hear..

Kindest regards,

Martyn

My other one went fine. ;) Telling you about it prompted me to actually find out what was going on -- my new ophthalmologist finally muttered to me about "spokes" on my last visit (of many). I am missing the zonules in that eye. And the first ophthalmologist did not do what should have been done when things went wrong.

http://www.osnsupersite.com/view.aspx?rid=6818

You can see them here:

http://www.99main.com/~charlief/Blindness.htm

I am a rare and special case. Fear not!

You can find Mariposa at google maps! 40-50 miles NW of Port Hope. Very small place. Farming. Zoom in on satellite view and have a look!

Hello, JaneyCanuk

I read with interest the weblinks you posted.

How unlucky of you to have had the problems so described! Selfishly, I hope I don't join you in experiencing them - the doctors have been messing around with my eyes for too long, now. Interestingly, it mentions post-operative use of steroids causing cataracts; that is precisely what happened to me, following my corneal graft op.. Heh ho!

i Googled Mariposa - not a lot there, is there? It is very reminiscent of the Cambridgeshire Fens in this country - very rich soil, but the whole area is very flat and boring. It is nothing like the countryside they left behind in Cornwall. However, both agriculturally and politically they would have been far better off in Southern Ontario. (Politically, as it was the Government of the time which, by introducing the infamous Corn Laws, led to depopulation of much of our more marginal farming areas; people were literally starving because they were not getting a realistic price for their produce. This consequently led to a collapse in the entire local economy of those ares.)

Sorry, this is getting heavy, isn't it? What with our General election a definite political overkill!

I hope to be allowed to the computer more, soon (by my wife!), so I will carry on my researches - watch this space!

Kindest regards,

Martyn

Yeah ... my post-cataract op steroids (taken for too long because of the bad surgery) caused glaucoma, permanent in that eye. And the second surgery, larger corneal incision needed to retrieve the first fake lens that had gone awry, caused bad astigmatism from the now distorted cornea. I think if you put us together you get two sides of a coin!

Odd thing is that between the glaucoma and the Raynaud's disease, I'm in danger of old-age blindness and problems from poor circulation in the extremities -- just like my No.1 from his diabetes. You'd think I could have come up wtih the other side of that coin, something I'd still have intact when he didn't, and vice versa!

Since we're here at GenesReunited, I'll blame our genes. ;)

I wasn't actually so familiar with the effect of the Corn Laws on emigration, but now that you mention it. The Scottish enclosures sure brought a lot of Scots here, as did the Irish potato famines. Southern Ontario was pretty well occupied by the earlier and often more upper-class English and the Family Compact - the CofE Tories who ran the show at the time.

The newcomers mid-18th century were left with north of Lake Ontario and the St Lawrence, for instance, which is rocky and has a shorter growing season. But once you sort these people out, you should visit the area! Port Hope really is the most charming little town. In fact, a new US television series was filmed there, as a stand-in for perfect smalltownsville USA.

http://www.northumberlandnews.com/entertainment/article/152658

We watched the first episode, and I almost wished I hadn't known it was Port Hope. Watching redneck sheriffs and listening to strange south of the border drawls in pretty quintessentially English Ontario Port Hope ... just too incongruous.

Pix:

http://images.google.ca/images?num=30&hl=en&q=port+hope+ontario

Finding pix of Mariposa is a little tricker because of the Mariposa Folk Festival in Toronto:

http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=mariposa+ontario+-festival

I actually didn't know it existed, since Stephen Leacock's "Sunshine Sketches of a Little Town", which took place in Mariposa, Ontario, was about a fictional place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariposa_(fictional_town)

So I hope the eye op is over?! At least the steroids can't give you cataracts now. ;)

Hello, JaneyCanuk.

Well, I've just had the op. and, touch wood, all seems to be fine.

It looks as though you were correct; I have done more digging and am pretty confident now that Port Hope was a first foot in Canada and from there my Greenaways headed to Mariposa, where they bought their farm. So, no rich pickings there, real estate-wise, but hopefully I should now be able to find more of the descendants.

It is amazing that the US TV programme makers chose Port Hope as their typical 'Smalltown America', I would have thought there would have been many candidates for that accolade in the US itself - but, heh! what do I know? I have only visited the US once (N, Carolina) and never Canada. From the web link, however, it does look a lovely place, Maybe, one day, I'll get to visit S. Ontario, who knows? Regarding American/Canadian accents, I am being a bit of a philistine now, but I cannot tell the one from the other. I can identify the John Wayne-type Texan drawl and the Appalachian 'hill-billy' accent, but, other than those, I'm floundering.

I actually got around to signing up to Ancestry,Ca yesterday. It really looks as though it is going to be useful. However, I've tried to go into it today and guess what ......... it is 'down' for updating. How's that for good timing?

Anyway, now I'm back with two eyes, I'll keep you fully updated on my results.

Kindest regards,

Martyn

Glad it went well. Most do!

The thing with Cdn/US accents (other than that we say Eh? and they say Huh?) is that Canadians actually sound like the USAmericans you hear on television. They all just think they do. ;)

Actually, there are differences even there; there are a lot of Canadians who are national newscasters in the US (e.g. Keith Morrison, and currently John Roberts on CNN, formerly a VJ named JD Roberts in Toronto). They have to take lessons on how to sound Amurican. A lot of it is emphasis; we are more mumblers, and don't emphasize words within sentences as much as they do.

And of couse, we say "aboot". Or so they think we do. ;)

Ancestry has been down for more than upgrading. It's been broken. When you can, play with it -- and report your findings! And also, when you do find records you are sure are your people, add alternative info to them, e.g. in the censuses -- you can just put a variation of their name (or correct misspellings), and then note your relationship and invite contacts and include an (anonymous online) email address ... have I said all this? ;)

Anyhow, if you do sort out the clans, I'd be curious!

Hello JaneyCanuck,

Good to hear from you again.

Well, at least I don't feel so ignorant, now! I mill have to listen out for the differences between Canadians and Americans, as you described them.

Now Ancestry is up and running, I've had a quick play with it; there is certainly plenty to get my teeth into. I think my 'free fortnight' will turn into a proper subscription now I have found my family line! The long run of census records is superb for finding subsequent generations easily - I'm going to enjoy this! Many thanks for the tips, too; I have already noticed a link to others researching the same families - that could prove rather interesting, too

I have my post-op check up tomorrow, but so far all seems well. I'll keep you posted..

Well, summer appears to have arrived, so I'm just out to top up the tan (mow the grass, actually!). I will keep in touch,

Kindest regards,

Martyn