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Hi everyone

Been searching for more info since January, I'm still no nearer finding Ellens father, I know for definate her fathers name was William and that he was a flannel mill worker, I've managed to contact a long lost reli, a grand daughter of Ellen or nanny Nellie as she called her, Ellen and George did not get married until Ellens mother died because she did not want Ellen to marry. So all of the children were born out of wedlock and when searching records they turn up as Roberts or Farringtons, George Farrington was not the father of William

If I did get the birth certificate of a Ellen Roberts born in the area how do I know its the right one?

I've found a marriage for a George Farrington in Wrexham 1903 4 11b 470, but no Ellen Roberts, is it possible that she was just missed off the page? Their younger daughter Blodwen has the surname Farrington when she was married.

Hi everyone

traced George Farringtons parents and siblings, George Farrington 1940 b Marylebone, married Jane Lewis 1942 b Trefonen, this George Farrington unfortunately spent most of his younger life living with uncle and aunts so cannot go back much further here, did a bit of detective work and found ?? Ellen Roberts parents Robert and Harriet Price but need to delve further, like Yvonne says ancestors very secretive,

thanks for your trouble william.
i will look forward to that
yvonne

It has just occurred to me that I must have suffered yet another,hopefully premature senior moment,at the Centre earlier today.I checked the marriage in 1917,and I only took note of George Farrington's Father,and not Ellen Roberts's!I'll have to try again Tuesday now.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

At long last Yvonne,the Weather has relented,and I was able to go today to the Rhosymedre Resource Centre of Clwyd FHS.However whether you will be any the wiser is debateable.The Father listed of the George Farrington who married at Wrexham St Giles in 1903,is given as George.Also the Father's name of the George Farrington who married at St Collen's Llangollen in 1917,is also given as George!

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

It's like a modern-day paternity declaration and child support order, for the child of an unmarried woman, as I understand it.

I think it was something like how it has been in more modern days, too -- the woman herself may have wanted nothing to do with the man (maybe even in the very first place before getting pregnant), but the people responsible for public assistance insisted that he pay up.

Google, people!! Even if you just scan down the search results list, you'll get a feel for it.

never hear of one of those heather,

You've lost me Heather?

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

Yvonne, IF Ellen got a bastardy order on the father of grandad - perhaps William could guide you on the likelihood of that document being available.

thanks william,
you made me smile.



yvonne

Unfortunately Yvonne the weather prevented me from going to Rhosymedre today.It will have to be Thursday now.There's one thing for certain though,as I always say on these occasions,the rellies aren't going anywhere!

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

it seems there secrecey will prevent us from ever knowing our real ancestors of my grandfathers. oh well have to go with researching ellen roberts.
thanks for your help.

What a pain for you.

no, the story goes, ellen had got pregnant with my grandad his father got killed in boar war not knowing ellen was pregnant, although no records of men from llangollen were killed in action.
we have 3 records, william albert roberts birth 11b 335. no fathers name.
1901 census ellen is head with albert (son) 2.
his baptisim was on 6th oct1898 again only mothers name recorded.

Thing is Yvonne, is your grandad actually George's son?

thanks william,
i await any more info you may be able to find.
lots of secrecey in this family regarding ancestors, only one souce left in family, my uncle and his memory is fading and confused.
my cousin visited llangollen recently to search ellen and george, we know our grandfather was born out of wedlock but the siblings? now thats the problem.
thanks again

Its no problem at all Yvonne,and it doesn't really take that much time anyway!Its really a matter of knowing where to search for the particular info.As far as the Centre today is concerned,whilst hoping that this rain stops so I can take the ten minutes or so walk to the Centre,I would have been going there anyway on my own research.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

wow, william,
thank you so mch for a your work, my cousin has death cert for george, he died in 1944 , i had checked up to 1915 for marriage but came up wth nothing.
im very new to all this so thank you all for taking time with me.
yvonne

Yes William, I kind of figured that the one born 1848 who died 1904 wasn't the one whom Ellen married in 1917. ;)

I do suspect the one I see in the 1901 census was, though. Not really seeing that one in 1881, e.g., so having the father's name for the marriage to Ellen will be good! Oh, yes, I see -- you can check the father's name for that other one too -- good show!