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Hello Janice,
I have just checked through the Marriage records for my Grandad- and found his 2nd Marriage in 1936 and I am going to order the certificate now, so hopefully I will find out if he was widowed or divorced,
Thanks for the advice, from Bette x

Bette,

I'm jumping into this one in the middle...have we found any possible marriages for your Grandmother or is the Moore name purely speculation?

If your Grandfather remarried in 1936 it is possible as others suggest that she didn't die and merely 'disappeared'... it is also possible that any subsequent marriage for her also produced children?

Do you have your mothers birth cert? and does it state your Grandfather on it, is it possible he wasn;t the natural father and therefore not inclined to carry on looking after the child once her Mother had gone?

Edna I Webster married John W Moore, Leicester, 2Q 1937 7a 627

Interestingly her name on the record is stated as Webster or Burbidge?

Just checking the register for a dupe entry under the Burbidge name....

EDIT: and sure enough it's there, which would suggest she was already known by her maiden name again, but had to register bth names on this marriage?

EDIT 2: I have searched from 1937 to 1940 inc and can find no children so far of this marriage.

Hi Wayne
Thanks so much for that info, I have had a look and yes it does say that she was married to John W. Moore, ( rather than the Harry Moore as we had thought ), and registered in both names Burbidge + Webster in 1937 ( 2Q- 7a 627 ).
My Mums Birth Cert has got Leonard A,D, Webster on it, so he definitely was my Grandad.
Don`t know yet if there were any children by her marriage to Moore, thats something that I could check up on.
Thanks alot thats a real find,
cheers for that from Bette x

Hi there, I have now completed the Deaths searches for all 3 surnames-
Edna Irene Burbidge, Webster + Moore and have found no matches.
Any ideas on how to go about finding if she is alive ?
I tried the Electoral role but not too sure what I am doing, can anyone point me in the right direction ? thanks.
Also how do I go about finding if there were any children from that marriage to John W. Moore.
I know that Wayne above has checked up until 1940.
I had a go on freebmd but didn`t get on very well, it keeps saying that you can`t put the christian names in with Births and Marriages ??, and so ended up with 100`s of them, can someone advise ?
Thank you, Bette x

FreeBMD won't do you anything for that time period -- it isn't transcribed yet.

For births after 1911, you can only put surname (with given name of the child if you know it) + mother's surname -- not given names of parents. Parents' given names aren't recorded in the GRO with birth registrations.

Marriages you can definitely put given names in the search. Your problem, again, though, is that you're trying to search a period that isn't transcribed.

Only thing for it is the page-by-page visual search for births of children named Moore with a mother whose surname was Burbidge (or Webster, but it shouldn't be Webster) -- or wait a while for FreeBMD to catch up so you can search electronically. It should only be a few months, from what I've seen of the progress being made.

For electoral rolls, go here:

http://www.192.com/search/search.cfm

and search for

Edna Irene Moore
Leicestershire

(where I assume she is likely to be)

There is one result:

EDNA I MOORE
(address blacked out)
LEICESTERSHIRE

the address is blacked out in the results I get because I don't pay the huge subscription fee to get the info.

But oh my goodness -- I didn't notice that it gives a phone listing with an address. I'm going to PM it to you. Actually, it's just the address, but I'm going to see whether I can find the phone number.


... Phone number to match name and address got and PMed to Bette. Fingers crossed.

I have checked out the addresses that Kathryn B kindly found for me, but unfortunately they were not Edna.
I have now found and got 2nd Marriage Certificates for both my Grandma and Grandad and the details are as follows :-
Grandma`s:-
Edna Irene Webster( formally Burbidge ) married John William Moore
Date- 28th April 1937
He was 34 years of age / she was 24.
He was a Batchelor / she was formally the wife of Leonard Arthur Denzil Webster from whom she obtained a divorce.
His profession- Haulage contractor / hers- shoe tree-er
His residence at time of Marriage-34 Shaftesbury Avenue Leicester
Hers- 1? or 7? wingfield Street Leicester.
Fathers name and Surname- His-Herbert Thomas Clifton Moore.
Hers- Adolphus Burbidge
Profession of Father- His- Fruit merchant.
Hers- Cattle dealer.

Grandad`s:-
Leonard Arthur Denzil Webster married - Ivy Emma Carpenter
Date-13th May 1936
He was 27 years of age / she was 23.
Condition- He was the divorced Husband of Edna Irene Webster ( formally Burbidge spinster)
Hers- spinster
Profession- his- baker + confectioner ( journeyman)
Hers- blank
Residence at time of Marriage- both- 61 1/2? Regent Road Leicester.
Fathers name His-Alfred Webster
Hers- William Carpenter
Fathers profession-His-Retired Grocer
Hers-Railway linesman

Haven`t checked yet if there was any children from Grandma`s Marriage with John Moore.

I have checked all the Death records from 1930 - end 2007 in all 3 names ( Burbidge, Webster + Moore ) and found no matches.

I have checked to see if she re- Married in the name of Edna Irene Moore and the only entry was Oct/Nov/Dec 1978 to a Mackie, in Uckfield ( East Sussex, half way between Tunbridge Wells + Brighton ), Volume 18, page 0675.
I tried to find the corresponding page with Mackie married to Moore with same volume and page number and it doesn`t exist ? ( could it be that the Marriage did not go ahead ? ) so I am unsure as to whether it was her, so I have started to search the Deaths for Edna Irene Mackie from 1978, so far only up to Dec 1980, but wondering if it worth doing that when I am not sure even if it was our Edna ??
If this was her then she could be buried in Uckfield ??

My Sister has checked to see if John Moore died but couln`t find him so he could still be alive?

Might be worth ordering the Marriage Certificate as its the only entry found up to date to see if it was her ,any ideas ???

Thanks everyone for your help so far, Bette x

Bette i have foud the corresponding marriage for Moore / Mackie... the gentlemans name was John B Mackie

Great stuff, Bette!

I'm so sorry that the person we were considering didn't turn out to be the one you're looking for.


I found the corresponding Mackie entry. If you look back at that page, you'll see there's a muddle.

The surnames are listed in this order:

MACKFALL
MCKISSON
MCKIE
MACKIE
MCKIE
MACKIE
MCKIE
MACKIE

and so on -- repeating the MCKIE/MACKIE alternation.

It seems the GRO doesn't distinguish between Mc and Mac, and lists them in order by given name.

He's under the third MACKIE -- just go through them by given name and you'll spot him easily:

John B.
18 0675


So it could be her -- only way to tell is to order the certificate. Seems unlikely, given the location and the late date, but you never know.

The electoral roll shows an

EDNA MACKIE
(address info not accessible for me)
other occupants JOHN P MACKIE

Kathryn,

I have access to that data, i have pm'd Bette with the address details, and a telephone number !

Hi there,
I have ordered the Marriage Certificate for Edna Irene Moore and John B Mackie.
I had another look for the corresponding page in Mackie married to Moore but still couldn`t find it. I must be looking at it too.
I found a page with Mackie, Mckie alternating as Kathryn said which was earlier in that year but still couldn`t find the one with 18/0675.
Never mind I have ordered the Certificate and so I can see what that says before going any further with the address that Wayne kindly found for me,
Thanks Kathryn and Wayne for your help and I will keep you posted, thanks alot, Bette x

I have now put a message-
`Trying to find Edna Irene Moore`
in the `trying to find section` under `Moore` and will put a message under Burbidge too soon.
Still searching -----Bette x

Hi there, I have now put a message under `Burbidge` in the trying to find section to see if that brings in anything.
heres hoping,
Bette x

Hi everyone, I have received the Marriage certificate for Edna Irene Moore / John B. Mackie,
but unfortunately it was a false alarm, there`s no match, it wasn`t her.
That was the only entry that could have fit her details, so it doesn`t look like she has re-married.
Also the Death records have been checked in all of her known surnames, so it doesn`t look like she has died either.
I am still awaiting the two Birth Certificates that could possibly be her 2 sons, if so then Mum could have two more Brothers that she didn`t know about, which would be fab, but not sure until the certificates arrive in a few days time.
Keep you posted and thanks again to everyone that has helped me to date !!!
We will find her one way or another eh ????
Thanks alot, Bette xx

Good luck with the birth certs, and of course pass on the info if you want help finding them.

Thanks Kathryn, will do!
Bette x

Hi everyone, I have received the Birth certificates that I thought might be two sons of Edna`s but they too were false alarms, there`s no connection.
Jacqueline suggested putting an advert in the local paper- `The Leicester Mercury`, which is a great idea and I think thats our next step really.
So far we haven`t found any Death records in Burbidge, webster or Moore.
No records of another Marriage ( apart from the one to John Mackie of which turned out to be unrelated to her ).
No records of any Children whilst using the name `Moore` ( apart from the two that we sent for that turned out to be false )
We seem to have hit a dead end at the moment. Apart from putting an ad in the local paper, the only other lead I can think of is to search for her Brother to see if there are any Marriage records for him or any children.
Has anyone got any other ideas on where to go from here ????
Thanks alot Bette x

Bette

Did you know that Adolphus Burbidge married Elizabeth F Hall in Leicester in the June quarter of 1936 (Ref: 7a 843)

Good luck with your search, Sue