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I am searching for my Grandma- Edna Irene Webster ( nee Burbidge) year of Birth 1912.
Does anyone have any knowledge of her whereabouts.
She married Leonard Arthur Denzil Webster on April 26th 1930.
She then had a Daughter ( My Mother ) Hazel Marguerita Webster on November 8th 1930 at Bond Street Maternity Hospital in Leicester.
She was known to have lived in Duncan Road Leicester at that time and previously in Melrose Street Leicester.
Any information would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

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Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1912

Burbidge Edna I Rylett Leicester 7a 407
brother for her.
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1911

BURBIDGE Adolphus F Rylett Leicester 7a 373
parents marriage (your great grandparents).
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Marriages Sep 1893


Burbidge Adolphus Leicester 7a 285
Rylett Martha Ann Leicester 7a 285

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Births Jun 1872

RYLETT Martha Ann Ely 3b 598
census 1881
Name Relationship to
Head of H'hold Condition Sex Age Profession/Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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RYLATT, Thomas Head Married M 58 Basket Maker
Grantham
Lincolnshire
RYLATT, Louisa Wife Married F 38
Grantham
Lincolnshire
RYLATT, Joseph W Son Single M 19 Basket Maker
Leicester
Leicestershire
RYLATT, Thomas Son Single M 16 Shoe Finisher
Leicester
Leicestershire
RYLATT, Martha A Daughter Single F 8 Scholar
Ely
Cambridgeshire
RYLATT, George H Son Single M 6 Scholar
Leicester
Leicestershire
RYLATT, Louisa Daughter Single F 4 Scholar
Leicester
Leicestershire
RYLATT, Florence E Daughter Single F 2
Leicester
Leicestershire
DEACON, David Boarder Widower M 60 Laborer At Gas Works
Leicester
Leicestershire

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
3170 Folio:
53 Page:
36

Registration District:
Leicester Sub District:
East Leicester EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Leicester St Margaret Municipal Borough:
Address:
15 Baker St, Leicester St Margaret County:
Leicestershire

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Births Sep 1870

Burbidge Adolphus Leicester 7a 164
census 1881
Name Relationship to
Head of H'hold Condition Sex Age Profession/Occupation Where Born Original
census
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BURBIDGE, John Head Married M 57 Army Tailor
Leicester
Leicestershire
BURBIDGE, Susan Wife Married F 49
Leicester
Leicestershire
BURBIDGE, John C Son Single M 21 Presser Clothes (Tailor)
London Newington, London
Middlesex
BURBIDGE, Alfred Son Single M 20 (Tailor)
Leicester
Leicestershire
BURBIDGE, Lousia Daughter Single F 18 Button Hole Hand (Tailor)
Leicester
Leicestershire
BURBIDGE, Walter Son Single M 15 Errand Boy
Leicester
Leicestershire
BURBIDGE, Adolphus Son Single M 10 Scholar
Leicester
Leicestershire
BURBIDGE, Clara Grand Daughter Single F 0
Leicester
Leicestershire

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
3161 Folio:
77 Page:
26

Registration District:
Leicester Sub District:
East Leicester EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Leicester St Margaret Municipal Borough:
Address:
8 Morlidge St, Leicester St Margaret County:
Leicestershire

Dear Dorsetbaby,
Thank you so much for the information that you have sent to me. I am new to this website and have only just begun to search my family tree and not too sure about all the details yet.
Regarding the Rylett + Burbidge family details, could you tell me what or when the ages relate to please ? and also the RG number, piece, Folio, page and address at the bottom of your reply ? as I am not familiar with these yet, thank you.
The reason that I am trying to find my Grandma ( Edna Irene Webster ) is because my Mother ( Hazel Marguerita Davis-nee Webster ) was adopted when she was 4 years old ( and then took on the name Whitworth ) and has never known what happened to her Mother.
She heard that she had died at a very young age but that is not known for sure, but if she was alive today then she would be 95 years old.
My Mother has always wondered where she might be since she was a little girl and if she did die then she wants to find out where she was layed to rest so that she could visit her grave and I want to help her to do that.
If you have any ideas on how I could locate her, that would be fantastic.
I have found her Marriage details and purchased the Certificate and located her Birth details and I have sent off for the Certificate.
The Birth details said that her Mothers maiden name was Rylett.
How did you manage to find all those details ? are you related to the family ? or is it a hobby of yours.
Thank you again so much and I hope to hear from you again soon , take care, from Bette Taylor x

Hi Bette! I'll just butt in -- we're all hobbyists here, many of us expert procrastinators though. ;)

Don't worry about the "folio" etc. -- that's just part of the record that got copied and pasted. It's useful if you're documenting the sources of info, but that's all.

All of the birth, marriage and death info here is available on line, free and fast, at

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

by searching for the names you're after, with approximate years, e.g.

After mid-1911, the spouse's surname is shown with the name of the person who got married, so you no longer have to guess at which person in a list s/he married. After the same time, the mother's birth surname is shown with the names in birth records. So you can search for a birth with one surname where the mother's surname was the known surname of the wife in a couple.

That's how you can be certain that her parents were Burbidge and Rylett. Go visit FreeBMD and play with it, and you'll get the results, and get used to using the search engine to find things in the database that volunteers have been transcribing to make it searchable.

They're still working on it though -- if your Edna did die young, the year in question won't have been transcribed yet, so you can't find the death record by doing a quick database search. You have to read through the untranscribed pages, by downloading images -- on page for each quarter of each year -- and looking for a matching name with the rightish age in the rightish place.

Dorsetbaby copied out census details. She omitted the census year. ;) But if Adolphus was born in 1870 and he was 10 in that census, it must be the 1881 census. (Because the census is in March, people are often a year younger than they will be later in the year.)

The 1881 census is free to search at

http://www.familysearch.org

and for the other years you need to subscribe to somewhere like Ancestry.

Getting back to Edna -- once you have that birth certificate, post her exact birthdate here. In case she didn't die young, deaths after 1984 can be searched by just given name and birthdate. In the meantime, here is one record that matches up with what you know about her so far -- her married surname (unless she remarried), and a birthdate that falls into the 3rd quarter of 1912, when her birth was registered, and a location in the general area of where she was born and married.


Name: Edna Webster
Birth Date: 29 Aug 1912
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 2001
Age at death (estimated): 88
Registration district: Mansfield
Inferred County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire
Register number: B26D
Entry Number: 63


I'd wait to see whether the birthdates match up, and if so (or if a death record is found that matches name and birthdate), order the death cert. It may have info about a family member who reported the death, e.g. You might also then be able to find a published obituary in microfilmed newspaper archives at a library that would give family members' names.

Also, this is the birth of her husband, I'd guess:


Name: Leonard Arthur D Webster
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Ashby de la Zouch
County: Derbyshire, Leicestershire
Volume: 7a
Page: 99


and it's likely he died before 1984, since there's no death record that's a good match for that info, assuming he stayed around the same area.

Dear Kathryn B,
Thank you very much for your help in this matter, it is really appreciated !
You have given me loads to go on thanks.
It may take me a while to get there as I am learning as I go along, but with your help I should get there alot quicker.
Thanks again, Bette Taylor x

Dear Kathryn B,
I know that her Husband ( my Grand father ) has died and is buried in Ilkley in Yorkshire and we have been to visit his grave.
We have found out that my Mum had 2 half Brothers and a half Sister.
My Grandad re-married after my Mum was adopted and had 2 sons and a Daughter of which we met approx 2 years ago which is fantastic, but sadly one Brother died last year.
They too were unaware that they had a half Sister.
Thank again, Bette Taylor x

Ah, so if I'm understanding better, it's quite certain your grandmother died young -- probably before your mother was adopted, since the reason for that would have been you grandfather's inability to care for her, likely.

So your grandmother must have died in or shortly before 1934?

... Well, I just perused the image for each quarter from the beginning of 1932 to the end of 1935, with no luck.

If you've met your mum's half-siblings, you know when their father remarried? Edna would have to have died before then ... perhaps she was very ill for a time, and they were unable to care for your mum, but Edna didn't die until some time after she was relinquished for adoption.

On the other hand, perhaps Edna ran off with the census taker. ;)

Hi Kathryn, so far I have checked the death records from 1930 when my Mum was born,up to as far as 1965 in Webster and also in `Moore` as its possible that she also re married to a Harry Moore, but again thats not for certain.I haven`t found a match in either name as yet, but then being new to this its possible that I could have missed something.
Thanks alot, Bette x

Here's a tip for the newbie then -- start out by telling everything you know and everything you've searched -- don't dole it out in dribs and drabs after other people have already gone looking for it!!!

On the last drab you've doled, I note the great similarity of name and place in this death record, despite the apparent discrepancy in birthdate:


Name: Edna Irene M Moore
Birth Date: 17 Dec 1911
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 2000
Age at death (estimated): 88
Registration district: Leicester
Inferred County: Leicestershire
Register number: D1H
Entry Number: 88


That said, there are a lotta Edna Irenes, and a lotta Edna Moores.

But if what really happened was that Edna left home and she and Mr. Webster subsequently divorced, it could be that someone has been prettifying the truth along the way.

Hi Kathryn, thanks for the tip, you CAN tell that I am new to this can`t you ? I`m sorry if I have caused any inconvenience to you or anyone else.
I think the following is all that we know up to date.
My Mum was looked after by various family members until she was legally adopted by William and Harriett Whitworth at the age of 4 in 1934.
Her Dad must have re-married around 1933/1934 as one of Mum`s half Brothers ( Donald ) was born on August 31st 1934.
I have just asked Mum when her Dad died and it was 1st December 1968 and he is buried in Ilkley Yorkshire.
Hope this clarify`s things, thanks for you help and advice, Bette Taylor x

You have a puzzle.

Your grandparents were married on April 26th 1930.

Your mum was born on November 8th 1930.

Known facts so far!

What isn't known is:

Did your grandmother die in the 1930-1935 period sometime, or did your grandparents simply separate?

Your grandfather had a child with a new partner on August 31st 1934.

What isn't known is:

Was your grandfather married to that partner?

Your mum wasn't yet 4 years old in August 1934. Was she relinquished for adoption before her father remarried / had a child with a new partner? That child would have been conceived in late 1933, when your mum was just barely 3 years old. Was her father already remarried when that child was conceived, i.e. her mother had died before the end of 1933?

But okay, I see now -- your mum was *adopted* when she was 4, but had been cared for by family for a period before that. That's different.

If her mother hadn't died, would her parents have been able to get a divorce rather speedily at that time? Seems unlikely.


Is this the birth of Donald?

Jul-Aug-Sep 1934
WEBSTER Donald C.
mother's surname: Hawthornthwaite
district: Biggleswade
vol: 3b
page: 393

Where the heck is Biggleswade? ... Bedfordshire. Seems unlikely, maybe.

Aha, we have an addition at the bottom of the page; same quarter:

WEBSTER, Donald L.
Mother's surname: Carpenter
district: Warwick
vol: 9c
page: see D.60?

And my suspicion is: a double registration, also in the mother's surname, because the parents weren't married.

No Donald Carpenter ... but: page D.60? Lemme see ... I don't know what that means! Who knows what that means?

Well, someone tried to explain it here:

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/FreeBMD-Admins/1999-08/0934984304

Aha, D=December quarter. Of 1960??

Hardly seems to make sense -- but there it is. That Donald's birth was registered for the first time in 1960:

Oct-Nov-Dec 1960
WEBSTER, Donald L.
mother's surname: Carpenter
district: Warwick
vol: 9c
page: 1968

It was then back-dated by adding it to the index for 1934.

If this is your Donald, it suggests that maybe his birth wasn't registered because his parents weren't married. That Donald was apparently 26 years old when his birth was first registered.

I'm suspecting that he is your Donald, and that your grandfather Leonard Webster really was not married in 1934, and that your grandmother really had not died by 1934.

Otherwise, what would this story about her having possibly married a Harry Moore be all about??

Sad as it is, I suspect your mum was told her mother had died to spare her feelings, when her mother may really have abandoned the family (for reasons that might not be ours to judge, of course). There would presumably have been a divorce at some point, with both spouses possibly remarrying.

Hi there, I now have the Birth Certificate for my Grandma- Edna Irene Burbidge ( later Webster ).
She was born on the 22nd August 1912 at number 20 Melrose Street, Leicester, Leicestershire.
Name and surname of Father- Adolphus Burbidge.
Name and surname of Mother-Martha Ann Burbidge ( formally Rylett ).
Occupation of Father- Butcher ( Master ).
Signature, Description and residence of informant- M.A.Burbidge, Mother, 20 Melrose Street, Leicester.
When registered- 23rd September 1912.
Regarding the above ideas for Donalds birth records, I don`t know as yet his Mothers maiden name but will post it here when I find out.
Thanks for all your help, its most appreciated, Bette Taylor x

Hi again Bette -- well, the closest match in the death records is still the one I posted above:

Edna Webster
29 Aug 1912
Feb 2001
88
Mansfield Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire

It's very close, but a week out. Depending on who reported the death and what the date of birth was taken from, that person might still be a possibility. Amazingly, there have been 10 other Ednas born on 22 Aug 1912 who have died since 1984, but only one who doesn't have other given names that don't match your grandmother's:

Edna Eyre
22 Aug 1912
Mar 2005
92
Sheffield Yorkshire

No other Websters or Moores with that birthdate.

I'm not sure whether you're in touch with Donald or his family or not. In case I didn't mention, there's no record of a death of a Donald Webster born 1934 in the death records after 1984. A Donald Henry Carpenter born 21 Dec 1934 died in Greenwich in 1989, but that isn't a great match (wrong middle name, even if he went by Carpenter).

Hi there,
I have been checking through the Death records and so far have checked through Edna Irene WEBSTER from 1930 to 2007 and found nothing.
I have checked through the Death records for Edna Irene MOORE ( incase she remarried to Harry Moore ) so far from 1930 up until 1965 and found nothing. My Sister Anita is taking over from 1965 up to today.
I am now checking Edna Irene BURBIDGE incase she went back to her maiden name and so far have checked from 1930 up to 1977 and will continue up to today. I haven`t found any matches so far.
Keep you posted from Bette x

Hi Kathryn, Mum`s Half Brother who died last year was Douglas Webster, Donald is alive and well, both in Ilkley in Yorkshire.
We do keep in touch with Donald and Douglas` wife Pauline.
Thanks for taking the time to help me out x

Hi have you tried to look for grandads 2 marriage as a cert might say if he was a wid.

Hi Janice,
No I haven`t, but thats a good idea, I will try that
Thanks , Bette x