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Can you explain, Ann o' GG?

Apparently I posted in this thread at some point -- it has reappeared in my "My threads" -- but I don't know what's up.

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Thank you. I have just emailed her. I have also emailed someone who has a Phyllis Austin in their tree as I believe that George Edwards elder sister Phyllis may have married a John Austin in 1918.

I can't find anyone else with any of the Anderson names in their tree.

On page 7 of trying to find Andersons board there is a lady called Susan Hoar looking for Andersons from same area, she has 2 threads on board. Hope you can help each other.

Some details for anyone who has cared to read this far (same details on page 2 of this thread)

Looking for Charles George Anderson married Harriet Foster 06/01/1903 at the register office, Epping.

First known child Charles James Anderson b 03/06/1886 Smarts Road, Epping

1891 census shows Charles and Harriet at York Hill, Loughton with Charles born 1864 Bittle nr Chenford (have checked image but think that is what it says)

1901 census shows Charles and Harriet at 2 Albert Road North, Buckhurst Hill with Charles born Prittle 1862.

Last child Edward George born 24/01/1903 2 Albert Road north, Buckhurst Hill.

Both birth certs confirm father Charles George Anderson, labourer. Mother Harriet E Anderson, formerly Foster.

Charles and Harriets marriage cert states Charles father is Charles George Anderson, travelling hawker, deceased. Harriets father is James Foster, Labourer.

1881 shows Harriet living with her family in Russel Row, Chigwell. She is housekeeper to her family.

1871 shows Harriet and family at Farm House, Oak Hall, Epping.

Witnesses on the marriage cert are Samuel Crabb and Thomas Thorogood.

In 1881 Samuel Crabb b North Weald 1856 is a visitor in Russell Row (Where Harriett is living at the time).

All theories welcome.

May give in tomorrow and try to order the 1911 for 2 Albert Road North

3 George Andersons born in the right area (Rochford) between 1863-5 but my thinking was wrong. The Piersons are together in 1861 and no daughter Louisa (Edit-checked 1851 and still no Louisa)

1861 England Census
about George Pierson
Name: George Pierson
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Petersfield, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Petersfield
Town: Petersfield
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Petersfield
Sub-registration district: Petersfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 149
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Pierson 14
Alice Pierson 7
Eliza Pierson 17
George Pierson 11
Henry Pierson 51
Jane Pierson 49

Has been a while but I am back to this now. (Computer gave up on life).

I am looking at what I found last time and noticed on the 1871 a George Anderson born 1864 Shoeburyness, Essex living with his grandmother in Hampshire. Mother is Louisa.

1871 England Census
about George Anderson
Name: George Anderson
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Louisa
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoeburyness, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Petersfield
Town: Petersfield
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Petersfield
Sub-registration district: Petersfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 38a
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza J Anderson 3
George Anderson 7
Henry Anderson 5
Louisa Anderson 32
Louisa Anderson 11 months
George Pierson 21
Henry Pierson 61
Jane Pierson 59


Shoeburyness is part of Southend on Sea, which is also part of Prittlewell.


In the 1881 there is a possible match for this George living Chatham, born Southend 1863:


1881 England Census
about George Anderson
Name: George Anderson
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Gender: Male
Where born: Southend, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Chatham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address: "School For Instruction In Submarine Mining"
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Sapper R E

Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Gillingham
ED, institution, or vessel: School of Military Engineering 3



I have tried to tace BDMs for people and have come up with the idea that Louisas mother, Jane, may be on her 2nd marriage by 1871. There is a Henry Pierson marriage to a Mary Jane Boxall in Petersfield 1863.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Henry Pierson
Name: Henry Pierson
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Petersfield
County: Hampshire, Sussex
Volume: 2c
Page: 219



There seems to be no birth record for a Louisa Pierson but there is one for Louisa Boxall in Midhurst

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Louisa Boxall
Name: Louisa Boxall
Year of Registration: 1839
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Midhurst (To 1935)
County: Hampshire, Sussex
Volume: 7
Page: 361


Any chance that George may in fact be Charles by the 1881? (Edit- That should read 1891)

Just to duplicate the results. 1871 census male Andersons b 1860-64 Essex, living Essex gives 14 results, all of which show as son apart from Robert who is listed on both of the last 2 searches.

1871 census, male Andersons b Essex 1860-64 living anywhere gives 20 results. No Charles Anderson, 2 George Anderson.

17 showing as son. The other 3 are:

Albert b 1861 Stratford, Essex (mistranscribed as Stafford). Grandson. Living with an Anderson family in Enfield

George b 1864 Shoeburyness, Essex. Grandson. Living in Petersfield, Hampshire. Mother Louisa with family.

Robert Anderson b 1862 Leyton. Inmate at West Ham Union Workhouse

ok, on to Charles.

Search of 1871 census for male Andersons b anywhere 1860-64 living Essex.

No Charles Andersons showing, one George William.
25 results of which 21 are "son".
The other 4 are:

Alfred b 1860 Dartmouth, Devon. Inmate. Orphan Asylum for the children of deceasde British Merchant Seamen, Wanstead.

Alioton b 1861 East Indies. Pupil in Dedham.

Joseph b Whitechapel 1862. Scholar. Industrial schools, Whitechapel.

Robert b 1862 Leyton. Inmate. West Ham Union Workhouse.

I am back tracking for the minute and looking for the children of the elusive Charles George.
I have found 8 children of his but can only find birth records for 5 of them.
The missing records are Helen/Helena Anderson c1889, James c1896 and Phyllis c1897 all noted on census as being born Loughton.
Maybe they made a habit of name changes.

Thanks Kathryn,
I will keep noting on here anything that I find, (or don't find) that way we won't both end up doing it.

Heh, yeah ... I've never been straight on whether it was my gr-grfather or his father who was the offspring of the black sheep brother of the Viscount. ;)

There would virtually certainly have been no formal adoption, if that were the case. Adoptions were mainly informal and within family -- siblings' kids, kids' kids more often. And of course spouses' kids. Sometimes the surname was changed, sometimes not.

What you'd be looking for is a child with a surname different from the head of household's, if the surname wasn't changed --

- child's surname Anderson, head's another name
- head Anderson, child's another name and child subsequently adopted Anderson name
- another possibility: child with same surname as head, subsequently reverted to Anderson, the birth surname.

Got a busy couple of days ahead, but will be happy to give it a go and see what possibilities there might be, a little later!

Back again,

I have been thinking about this Charles George thing and something occured to me. My family have many rumours about many people and one of them (which I had forgotten about) is that my Gt grandfather Edward George was adopted. I have proved this to be wrong, but what if the story was confused and it was his father, Charles, who was the adopted child. Would there be any records or any way to prove this may be the case?

Hi Kathryn and Wayne,

Thanks for the info about the 1911. I think that it will really have to wait for a while. Just had xmas and 2 kids b'days coming up in the next month. Expensive time of year!

Kathryn, Have just read through your first thread. Very confusing. No wonder you have so many ideas about Charles. Just about to read your second thread to see if you got any answers.

As I said before, another couple of apparently illigitimate/non existant people in line for future threads.

Jane

Great news, Wayne.

You may have heard that pretty much the opposite has happened here in Canada.

On the 2006 census, there was a question: did the individual consent to personal information being released after the statutory 96 years?

Unless the individual specifically checked off the YES box (and imagine how many people with some vague distrust/dislike of gummint didn't do that), his/her census info will remain FOREVER inaccessible, and so on for every census thereafter.

I figure sometime in the next 96 years that law can be changed ...

Jane,

I can highly recommend the 1911 census, altho the cost is £45 it arrives amazingly quickly. I ordered mine one bored Sunday night and the postie had it in his hands Tuesday morning... the only issue is it's a rigid A3 envelope... so a short trip to the central office to collect was the only issue for me!

You'll not have too long to wait they are releasing the 1911 census in 2009 (except disabilities and other minor data), and as the government are arguing as we speak looks like the 1921 will come out at the same time. They are considering reducing the waiting time to 70 years, which will keep us all busy for a long while to come!

You're welcome!

The thing about all this is it's supposed to be finite: if someone was there in 1901, they WERE born, and they WERE there in 1871 or whenever, so we CAN find them!!!

I did it with my great-grandfather, after a lot of hard slogging -- a thousand times this, and quite a few more wild theories, before the wild theory I settled on proved to be pretty much indisputable. An audience is always welcomed! --

Ernest Monck - Australia sojourn c 1885-1895
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=976217

JohnRogersCheshire/MaryEmmaHill 1860s-descendants
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=954394

Mid-life name changes are my specialty. ;)

Thank you Kathryn,

You have put so much time into this and it is much appreciated, even though we have not found what i started out looking for. If you would like to have a go at any of my other unsolvable lines sometime please let me know.

Maybe I will post on this again in 2011.

Thank you again,

Jane

Ya never know ...

Louisa's name -- looked at the image. Not very clear what it is.


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/1911census/

Info about accessing the census -- it's £45.

The page isn't loading properly for me right now, but check it out.