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So Charles could have been a Cairns then by birth............

yes ages were very fluid, everyone was the same..

Gail.

yes, i suppose he would of been, and she died young too, i will try an get in touch with my aunts, to see if they have any more info they could give me, and i'll try and find out what home they went to when she died,

I'll wait & see how you get on. Let us know the results of the chats.

Ozi.

Yes same here, good luck Tracey and would love to know the outcome.

Gail.

great, thank u both for your help, and will def let u know more, and may even need more assistance, it would be nice to find out if she really was a lady, thanx again, will keep u posted,
tracey

Here is George's birth

George E Miller
1920
Quarter 1
Volume 2a
Page 2692
Dover

thank u, thats my grandad, looks like i'll be spending some money on birth certificates, lol, any info is truly appreciated,
tracey

ok, i just found scrap of paper, with some more info, one of my grandad's brother's emigrated to austrailia, this could have been either;
raymond who married a joyce smith,
or
william herbert miller who married a rose deeks, their date of marriage was 14-06-1944 and william also died in 1997,

well thanx again, ur all amazing here, guess i must hit the sack, seen as i gotta b up in bout 3 hr's, lol, this is very addictive, ha ha,and i'm sure i'll be back on here in a few hr's, lol, well nite for now folks, an i really can't thank u enough,
tracey

Hi Tracey

Well that gives another avenue to research, keep hunting out those scraps of paper as sometimes they hold all the clues...

At the beginning of your thread you said that 'her picture is in the 'Dover Castle' is it a newspaper or did you mean her picture is actually in Dover Castle? just wondered if you had actually seen it.

Gail.x

there is a photo there in a table type glass cabinet, my grandad's sister went there and saw it, and had to write to the queen, to get permission to get a copy, and she was allowed, but she had to pay a royal photographer to take a picture of the photo, pretty unfair i thought, seen as it was her mother, but hey ho, that's the world we live in, and another memory just popped into my head, i remember seeing a telegram to his mother, i believe, saying that 1 of her husbands had past his pilot licence, i believe it's for sailing rather than flying, cant think of any more at mo, but i'm sure i'll remember more while i'm cooking, lol,

William H Miller, MMN Johnson is registered Q3 1921, in Dover 2a 2174 and I see what I think is his death registration also, so possibly it was Raymond who went abroad.

Is there a Museum or something at Dover Castle that you could contact and ask for any information on the picture.

Gail.

If she was a Lady by birth surely she would be in Debretts. She might also have been a debutante and 'come out' i.e. been presented at Court, although I don't expect that went on during the war.

I think if you are a Lady by birth then your children can use the title Hon. (Honorable) I have a friend who is an Hon. as her mother was a Lady, but her father was not a Lord although he was quite 'posh'. I don't think you can be 'un-Ladyied' . Interesting that Heather Mills Mc.C.. is still being referred to as Lady McC. - of course she is not a Lady at all, it is only a courtesy title because he is a 'Sir'. Isn't the British Peerage fascinating..............
Looking forward to seeing more about the Dover Castle picture
Eileen