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And this is them in 1841:


Name: Ellen Parker
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Gender: Female
Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Astbury
Hundred: Northwich
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Congleton
Sub-registration district: Congleton

Jas McMahon 30
Ann Parker 13
Ellen Parker 3
John Parker 35
John Parker 10
Margt Parker 6
Mary A Parker 30
Ann Wright 60

(JaneyCanuck, formerly KathrynB)

Hello kathryn B,

let me explain. I've taken up this task from my daughter as she is a new mum and no longer has time and i'm retired ,ha,ha. My daughter passed on what she had from Ancestry web site, this is how she obtained 1881 census, sometime ago. It's difficult trying to pick up things from someone else. I must admit I've been working on the other side of the family that has mysteries too.

it's totally time consuming isn't it,but life must go on etc etc . Is there a name for people like us?

I must admit I've been thrown by the family insisting that either Gaz was French or her daughter Violet. which now appears to be untrue. How can they have got it so wrong. You must admit though it is an unusual name.
hope you can see what i've written about 1881 census, if not please point me in the right direction, i certainly didn't mean to be secretive there's no point, it's only ignorance on my part.

Regards
Margaret

LOOK WHAT I'VE FOUND!!!!


Name: Euzajena Rosina Lenacharle Mabelle Carter Inniss
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 499 (click to see others on page)



It actually says Gazajena Rosina Lena Charletta Belle Carter (trails off a bit for the Charletta Belle).

Edit: It probably says "Inness" -- an "e" with a random dot -- it's between an Inness and an Inniss, so it's hard to say. ;) The FreeBMD transcription is "Inniss" -- but when ordering the cert you might want to note that it could be "Inness".

Searched births for given name "carter" surname "inness", after finding that Charles.


Also:

Name: Ellen Louisa Carter Inness
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: St Martin in The Fields
County: Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 295


Ta da. Now you can find out who her parents were!!

Hello kathryn again,

sorry to be a pest but what GRO stand for?

totally ignorant me

Kathryn
Totally gobsmacked now!!
Thank you so much.

absolute respect to you.
Regards
Margaret

First, before you get any more answers, you must say:

You are a genius and a truly wonderful person, Kathryn B!!!

Okay, we'll assume you've done that. ;)

(edit -- we crossed in the post. Total respect is quite satisfactory!)

GRO is General Registry Office -- the place where all births, marriages and deaths had to be registered starting in 1837. An index was prepared of all names in alphabetical order for each quarter -- so there are four indexes per year. The index lists surname, given name and registration district, and the volume and page of ... I actually don't know of what. The books in that particular registration district, I guess. But it's the info you need for ordering certificates.

I'm Canadian, and this system has always struck me as particularly unwieldy. I'm just grateful that someone is indexing it and making it searchable. I do my bit by correcting their mistakes. ;) Many dozens of mistakes I've corrected ... most for complete strangers' ancestors I run across with mistakes in their transcriptions.

FreeBMD is the group that is transcribing all of the records, from the mainly handwritten lists, and putting the data in a searchable database. You access it here:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk - click the red "search", then do what you want to do.

Spouse's and mother's surnames are only specified from mid-1911 onward, unfortunately.

I found that birth record at Ancestry -- because Ancestry does "fuzzy" searches -- it finds things that look like what you're looking for, e.g. it found Inniss when I searched for Inness. FreeBMD doesn't do that so well.

If you go to FreeBMD and search for a birth with given name "Euzajena" and surname "Inniss" -- you don't need to specify any date or place, 'cause there will only be one of them -- you will get the data I gave you in my previous message.

I've already checked the image; the vol and page numbers are correct. But you can click on the spectacles icon beside the name to see the image at FreeBMD (it probably won't be as clear as I'm seeing at Ancestry). You can see how someone who didn't know what s/he was looking at would have read it as s/he did. But I knew what I was looking for, so I knew what it actually said.

Now you order the birth cert.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

And when you have got it, you come back here, click on "my threads", find this thread, and tell us all the answer!

For us who are interested, when we click on "my threads" after that, we'll see that there's something new in this thread because it will have popped up to the top of the list.

I know I'm dying to know the answer! Who were her parents, and how did she end up being reared by Ellen Parker and Charles Crawford and going by the name Crawford all her life??

Now get going!

Oh, by the way.

You realize that you are now required to solve the mystery of Mary Emma Hill born in Jersey around 1843, supposedly the daughter of Francis Hoare Hill born 1819 in Tamerton Foliott, Devon, and Sarah Emma Bond, born in 1819 in St Stephens by Saltash, Cornwall, who never seem to have married, and who (Mary Emma) subsequently had many children with John Cheshire, whom she never seems to have married, unless she did so under some other surname that I still can't find anyhow ... whose brother Ernest Augustus Hill, born 1851 in Linkinhorne, Cornwall, and sister Ada Lennox Monck Hill, born 1854 same, who was an actress at the Adelphi Theatre in London in 1870-71, changed their surname to Monck sometime between 1873 and 1875 ... what was the question? Oh yes; who the heck was Mary Emma Cheshire née Hill whose family thought she was Montmorency??

I'll be waiting!

;)

Oh well done, sorry Ive been really busy earning my living! Plus doing my dog rescue voluntary work!

So there may be something in this after all, havent read it all through but will in a sec.


Ah and now I understand Margarets pm to me. Rotten GR had buggered up the posting so we didnt get it all - well geniuses us that we managed to work it out at all and YES you are a genius and very tenacious finding that birth but what a strange one!

So Margaret, you MUST buy that certificate from GRO online for £7 using the reference given above and you MUST tell us the outcome.

Well done guys, a truly worthy job. xxx

This is just one for the ages, isn't it?

You gotta just keep thinking sideways. When the only Charles birth I found that matched the Charles Crawford in Gaza's household was named Charles Carter Inness, I just ran sideways with that ... and it worked.

I see everyone is studiously ignoring my Hills and Moncks. ;) But that's how I trained in this discipline. Started out at the very beginning looking for the birth of my Ernest Augustus Monck c1852. Some genealogist years ago, retained by my mum's cousin, had come up blank, except for the report, as we heard it third hand, that he might have been born in Ireland, Cornwall or Germany. Well duh. There are Moncks in Ireland (the Viscounts, e.g.), Gen. George Monck came from Cornwall, and Monck could be an anglicized German name. Great.

If it weren't for the fact that both Ancestry and the Archives have Ernest transcribed in 1901 as "Morick" (and his kids as "Mark"), I would have found the birthplace, Cornwall, to start with. As it turned out, the 1901 census entry was the very last thing I found.

Searching for his birth by given names in case of mistranscribed surname, I found an Ernest Augustus Hill in Cornwall. Searching for his daughter Ada who died in infancy, I found her to be Ada Lennox Monck born 1894. And because BMDs weren't yet separated at Ancestry, I also found the marriage of an Ada Lennox Monck in 1875. And lo, Ernest Hill had a sister Ada. Huge coincidences began to pile up, and eventually, after months of labour, became a coherent theory that was confirmed by every trick I tried.

Oops, work has just arrived that must be done urgently! Dang.

Damn work does get in the way doesnt it!

Hi folks,
thanks for your help i couldn't have found that in a month of sundays. i'll get onto it right away and let you know. by the way,i know i said i was retired but your jobs sound the next best thing! got any vancancies?!
Thanks a trillion. I'll know who to contact for the paternal side of which i am stuck. By the way i've just bought credits for Ancestry.

3rd grandchild due any day now so may dissappear for a few weeks-but i'll be back!!

cheekily yours.
Margaret

Just to note that Margaret posted a follow-up in another thread:

http://genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=973507