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Thelma

Thelma Report 27 Oct 2007 13:29

1871 England Census
about Miles Thompson
Name: Miles Thompson
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Miles
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Borrowby, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Borrowby
Town: Borrowby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Northallerton
Sub-registration district: Northallerton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 36
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Thompson 43
Mary E Thompson 10 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Miles Thompson 41
Miles Thompson 4
Robert Thompson 14
Sarah Thompson 12
Thomas Thompson 8
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1881 England Census
about Mary Ellen Thomson
Name: Mary Ellen Thomson
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Miles
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Borrowby, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Crosby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: Crosby Manor
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Farmers Daughter

Registration district: Northallerton
Sub-registration district: Northallerton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Thomson 53
Mary Ellen Thomson 20
Miles Thomson 51
Miles Thomson 14
Robert Thomson 22
Sarah Thomson 24
Thomas Thomson 18



Jane

Jane Report 27 Oct 2007 13:47

I do not know about you Claire, Jim and Louise but I am getting very confused here. You have found two possible families for me. So I need to try and find out which is my one.

Let me explain my reasoning here.

I was sent this email:

As always this is probably a dead end, but one never knows. I have the will of Ella Hoggard of E.Halton in my possession. She d. 23.6.1954 willing to Alfred Ernest Grey her brother-in-law and sister Priscilla (nee Ellerby) his wife and also to Florence Ellerby her step-sister. I don't know where they all fit into my tree but I remember a Walter Ellerby visiting my parents. Do any of these seem familiar? Julian.

I found a marriage between Priscilla Clark and Alfred Grey 1919. So I thought as Julian said Julian had said Priscilla's name was Ellery I thought her mother must have marriaed twice. Hence marriage to William Thackery Ellerby and Harry Clarke.
Julian also said she had a step sister Florence ellerby which would also suggest her mother had married twice.

Then Claire found the 1901 census with children with the names Ellerby and clarke so that looked like my family.

However it said her mother was Sarah Ann ellerby age 69. If Sarah Ann Ellerby was her mother she could not have married William Thackery Ellerby. See my problem.

Thanks for all your help

Jane

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 27 Oct 2007 13:48

Looks like Mary Ellen Ellerby nee Thompson married Samuel Banner

Samuel Banner 1896 Jan-Feb-Mar Northallerton Yorkshire - North Riding, North Yorkshire

Mary Ellen Ellerby 1896 Jan-Feb-Mar Northallerton Yorkshire - North Riding, North Yorkshire


1901 England Census
about William Ellerby
Name: William Ellerby
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Mary E
Gender: Male
Where born: Thornton-Le-Beans, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Thornton Le Beans
Ecclesiastical parish: North Otterington
Town: Thornton Le Beans
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Northallerton
Sub-registration district: Northallerton
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Dorothy E Banner 9 months
Joseph Banner 2
Laura M Banner 3
Mary E Banner 39
Mary E Banner 4
Samuel Banner 34
Eliz Ellerby 17
William Ellerby 15

Jane

Jane Report 27 Oct 2007 13:52

Jim Your 1871 censu is look good as well. That says her mother is Mary ann Thomson. If that is true who is Sarah Ann Ellerby on the 1901 censu Claire found. Was she MOther in Law and not mother perhaps??

Thanks for helping me

Jane

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 27 Oct 2007 13:56

I will try to summarise what we have in a mo

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 27 Oct 2007 14:15

1) Mary Ellen Ellerby born c1867 Saxby Linconshire
daughter of Sarah Ann & Joseph
Married Harry Clark/Clarke 1888
children Sarah Ann Clark c1889 & Joseph Ellerby Clark c1900

2) Mary Ellen? Thompson born c1861 Borrowby Yorkshire daughter of Mary A & Miles Thompson
Married William Thackery Thompson 1882
children Helenora or Eliza Ellerby c1884
John Ellerby c1883
William T Ellerby c1886

husband died

Married Samuel Banner 1896
children Mary E Banner c1897
Laura M Banner c1898
Joseph Banner c1899

Please bear in mind that to prove this you would need a whole pile of certs


Thelma

Thelma Report 27 Oct 2007 14:15

The one I found
1861
Mary Ellen Thompson Miles,
Mary Ann abt 1860 Borrowby, Yorkshire, England Daughter Borrowby Yorkshire
1871
Mary E Thompson Miles,
Mary A abt 1861 Borrowby, Yorkshire, England Daughter Borrowby Yorkshire
1881
Mary Ellen Thomson Miles,
Mary Ann abt 1861 Borrowby, Yorkshire, England Daughter Crosby Yorkshire
1891
Mary E Ellerby abt 1861 Borrowby, Yorkshire, England Head Thornton Le Beans Yorkshire
1901
Mary E Banner Samuel abt 1862 Borrowby, Yorkshire, England Wife Thornton Le Beans Yorkshire

Jane

Jane Report 27 Oct 2007 14:16

Thanks Claire.

so if we can discount Mary Ellen Thomas who marrried William Thackery out it must mean the other family is mine.

So she was born Mary Ann Ellerby not Clarke.

Her parent were Joseph and Mary Ann Ellerby. This Mary Ann went on to marry Harry Clark.
Then at mary ann's (the daughter) marriage she used the name clarke not Ellerby. Does this sound right

Thanks

Jane

Thelma

Thelma Report 27 Oct 2007 14:22

The other
1871
Mary E Ellerby Joseph,
Sarah A abt 1867 Saxby, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Saxby Lincolnshire
1881
Ellen Mary Ellerby abt 1867 Saxby, Lincoln, England Servant Barton St Peter Lincolnshire
1891
Mary E Clark Harry abt 1867 Saxby, Lincolnshire, England Wife Barton On Humber Lincolnshire
1901
Mary Ellen Clarke Sarah Ann,
Harry abt 1867 Saxby All Saints, Lincolnshire, England Wife Barton On Humber Lincolnshire

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 27 Oct 2007 14:32

The info we have suggests that Mary Ellen Ellerby the daughter of Sarah Ann & Joseph Ellerby married Harry Clark therefore from 1888 onwards she should have signed all documents as Clark.
I've lost the plot on her daughter Mary Ann as I can only find Sarah Ann.

Jane

Jane Report 27 Oct 2007 14:36

Thanks Jim

I think we have finally got there.

Sarah Ann and and Joseph were Mary Ellens parents and Mary Ellen married Harry Clark..

Great

Thank you all very much. That is that part of the problem sorted . Now all I have to do is find out who Florence and Walter ellerby are. And how all these people are conected to Ella hoggard.

Thanks again

Jane

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 27 Oct 2007 15:02

Ella Hoggard died 1954 Grimsby age 68

Jane

Jane Report 27 Oct 2007 15:09

If ella was born about 1886 I have no idea of her connection to Harry Then.

Please can you remind me where Harry Clark was born. I couldn't see it on the census. Or there again was it Saxby Lincs?

Thanks

Jane

Thelma

Thelma Report 27 Oct 2007 15:32

marriage
Ella Clark 1911 Apr-May-Jun Glanford Brigg Lincolnshire

Ewart W Hoggard 1911 Apr-May-Jun Glanford Brigg Lincolnshire

Jane

Jane Report 27 Oct 2007 15:40

Thanks Jim for that marriage. Now all I have to do is find out how Harry and Ella are connected.

All the best

jane

Jane

Jane Report 27 Oct 2007 15:55

Please can someone look up Henry Clark b 1858 Great Hatfield and Pricsilla Clark b 1860 yorkshire. On the 1891 census Thank you.

Jane

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 27 Oct 2007 18:19

I think you mean this one

1891 England Census
about Henry Clark
Name: Henry Clark
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Priscilla
Gender: Male
Where born: Seaton, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Rise
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Rise
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Skirlaugh
Sub-registration district: Skirlaugh
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Bartha Clark 9/12
Ella Clark 4
Ethel Clark 9
Henry Clark 32
Priscilla Clark 32
Rosina Clark 7

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 27 Oct 2007 18:20

Looks like Henry died

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Henry Clark
Name: Henry Clark
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 33
DISTRICT: Skirlaugh
County: Yorkshire - East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 193 (click to see others on page

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 27 Oct 2007 18:21

Priscilla remarried
Priscilla Clark 1893 Oct-Nov-Dec Skirlaugh Yorkshire - East Riding

Benjamin William Drewry 1893 Oct-Nov-Dec Skirlaugh Yorkshire - East Riding

Thomas Northgraves 1893 Oct-Nov-Dec Skirlaugh Yorkshire - East Riding

Mary Jane Whiting 1893 Oct-Nov-Dec Skirlaugh Yorkshire - East Riding

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 27 Oct 2007 18:22

& had children Priscilla & Florence!

1901 England Census
about Priscilla Drewry
Name: Priscilla Drewry
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Benjiman
Gender: Female
Where born: Skirlaugh, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Raisthorpe and Burdale
Ecclesiastical parish: Thixendale St Mary the Virgin
Town: Raisthorpe
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Malton
Sub-registration district: Westow
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
Bertha Clark 10
Florence A Clark 7
Priscilla Clark 8
Rosina Clark 17
Drewry under 1 month
Benjiman Drewry 32
Gertrude Drewry 4
Priscilla Drewry 40