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could be him he was shoemaker plus if you look at when mary-ann was born he would have been around 30 ish.
I will look into this
Thank you again
Nicola

Hi another question ,who witnessed Mary's marriage ,were they family members?

Hi Janice i just spoke to my dad and its not the marriage certificate of mary-ann they have it is her birth certificate.sorry for mix up.
Nicola

so what year was her birth and was coal pit lane where she was born?

Yes she was born at coal pit lane nottingham and she was born 17/09/1880

well why did'nt she make life easy and stay there!!!
in 1881 this couple are there
Name: Charles Rowlson
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Nottingham St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England


Name: Elizabeth Rowlson
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Nottingham St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street address: 60 Coalpit Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married

found what i think is their marriage index and she is
Elizabeth Smith Blackburn so no rel of yours

I dont think this family want to be found :)
but thank you so much for what you have found.

Nicola

so perhaps you may want to get the marriage cert. For John and Emma and see what names etc we can find from that or Mary 's ! i will keep this post in my bookmark if you do get any info and i will KEEP looking(and i thought "smith's" were hard!)
janice

Thank you Janice.
Kind regards

Nicola :)

Hi Janice, Mary-ann Hillyard was living with her parents at 151 york street leeds in 1903 this makes Mary-ann 23 at that time I was wondering if they may have lived there for 1901 census if possible could you look this up.

thanks Nicola

Interesting! How did you know this address?
1901 transcribed as follows but the image does look like Hilyard.
Address is 151 york Road(?not street) so will keep looking to see if there is also a street. Father is a boot/shoe maker and where does Hannah and Sarah fit in?
Name: John Gilyard
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire


Name: Hannah Gilyard
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Leeds
Name: Sarah Ann Gilyard
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Leeds

there is this birth index that might be Sarah if you want to get the cert to see who the parents are? Intresting the surname is spelt the same as one for Mary Ann
Name: Sarah Ann Hildyard
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Nottingham
County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 340

wow this is confusing, maybe sarah ann is mary ann's sister, My mum brought a load of certificates and letters ect. which belonged to my late Nanna, I have the birth certificate of Mary-ann, her wedding certificate which is were i got york street from, and her death certificate ive also gt a card which states that john charles Hillyard died sept.1st 1940 in bradford he was interred at north Bierley cemetery, 83 sterling street, manchester road, bradford. well all i can say is that they liked to move around alot.
Thanks Nic

well thats great to have the records already.
Have found the death index for John for your info . Just looking at the age ,it doe'nt tie in with the age of father does it? could it be a brother? or whoever registered the death was very wrong about his age.
John C Hillyard age 61 years Bradford
volume 9b
page 115
sept.quarter 1940
A cert. should give who registered it.
Who were the witnesses at the marriage ? were they family?
If you are wanting to do "the family" history you may want to think about getting some of the certs,to tell you more about them.

Hi, the witnesses where friends their names were james Baines, and Eliza Robinson. The age for Johns is right it says on the card that he was 61 when he passed away I would imagine it was his wife who registered his death as she was the one that sent the card.
Thanks Nicola

Ive just realised what you ment about john hillyard and the dates they dont add up at all

just had another thought the john charles whos card I have must be the son of John charles and emma place thats the only way the dates add up and also ive just read the card again and it says the beloved husband of EMILY. not emma, sorry for givin you the wrong info.

I could'nt find a birth cert for abt 1879 which if my maths is right that would have been his year of birth!
so a certificate might be the answer.

ok thanks, cant believe i didnt click sooner. must be all these dates flying round it doesnt take much to confuse me!!!!!!!!!

have found this marriage which might be his then
Name: John Charles Hillyard
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Bradford
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 29

others on index page
Thomas Barnes,Emily Milnes and Ada Sellars so this could be Emily.
I will look for him in 1901