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Good Morning Dionne and all..

Have had a sleepless night and have tried to put straight in my mind what information is now needed and still muddled so can someone please help with that...

If I've got it right..
There isn't a Marriage for Edwin/Edward Livermore in the UK?

There are no birth registrations in the UK for Dorothea or her Sister Constance?

There isn't a death registration in the UK for Edwin/Edward Livermore? (so far)

Has anyone narrowed down to an approximate year when Dorothea and Constance were brought to England from SA?

Have got a few idea's but need to clarify the above before putting them forward..
Best wishes, Jennifer

Jennifer

Yes, that's right - no marriage for Edwin/Edward in UK, no births for Dorothea or Constance in UK. No death for Edwin/Edward so far.

According to the Army papers I found for him, he served in S Africa up to 29/11/1911, and was discharged from Army 6/5/1912.

Have to go to work now, but couldn't resist looking at this first!

Thank you Ann..
So.. some suggestions then..

Would it be possible to get........

Edwin/Edwards full Service Record which will tell us his 'postings' so narrow down which Area/Township/State he was in in SA at the time of Dorothea and Constances' conception/births? so there is an idea where to look...

If not....
Is there a Website that list's where his Regiment was during different time frames?.. (I know there is one for the Coldstream Guards..Husbands Gt G/Father).....

Is there a similar Website to this one in SA where a message could be posted asking for help... At the end of last year I did research for a chap in Australia in return he researched my 'convict' Ancestor for me.......
I would be willing to do my bit by researching in Cambs, Nthants, Hunts or Lincs if that would help........
And lastly, if Dorothea and Constance came to the UK at 'school age' maybe they were boarded out?, this could be why Dorothea became a bit of a Walter Mitty.. feeling lost and abandoned!!......

Anyone's thoughts please..
Regards, Jennifer

Update....Could also do Norfolk..

I can't find the bit about Dorothea's possible brother. What was the outcome of that?

Do we know what area Dorothea was living in 1912 onwards?

Selena

Here we are Selena:

Edwin William Livermore - dob 14 Sep 1911 - Death Q4 1972 Hillingdon.

Marriage
Edwin W Livermore.....Leonora I Pittuck
Hendon
4th qtr 1935
vol 3a page 1345

Birth
Pamela J Livermore mmn Pittuck
Colchester
3rd qtr 1936
vol 4a page 1285

possible marriage:
Pamela J Livermore.....Howard R Davis
Ilford
3rd qtr 1958
vol 5a page 996

Death
LIVERMORE, Leonora Isobel born 29 January 1912 died Ploughley 1987 July
Volume No 20
Page No 2364
Reg No 787

Brenda

Hi Jennifer,Selena and Brenda.

Jennifer again thanks for your offer of help.

I have read Edwins full servise records and gone through them with a fine toothcomb.

They only say that he was in South Africa no area im afraid. He was awarded the Queens South Africa Medal in 1901.
The other thing that I found very interesting was he has his next of kin down as his parents and his three sisters are also named.

There is then a box to fill in particulars of marriage and under this a further box to list children.
Would you beleive that both of these boxes have been left blank. Now why would that be?? Strange.
He was removerd from the quartermaster!(hard to read the writting) for unsatisfactory conduct on the 17.04.1906.Discharged 1912.

I a member on Ancestry24.A South African site.Its still in its infancy and I have left a few messages re Edwin and his daughters. As for when the Daughters came back over to this country and their ages I am really not sure.

Selena.
I am waiting for the birth certificate of the possible brother to Dorothea and I have also written a short leter to a member of his family only sent last week so I have not heard anything yet.
Brenda.

I sent of for the death certificate today for Florence.Many thanks for posting the info.

Dionne
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Dionne

Don't know whether you saw my post on here last night. One of the things I said I thought might be a good idea, would be for you to post what you still want to know. Any news today? (Hope so!)

Found this death - not quite the full name but...

death
Edwin Livermore age 68 ( born 1885c)
Ipswich
1st qtr 1953
vol 4b page 1076


From: Ipswich,Suffolk
To: Colchester,Essex
Distance: 18.4 miles

Brenda

Hi Ann and Brenda

There really isnt alot to do now.I think we might have come to the ening that I wanted to find of the line as far as Edwin is concerned. I posted a message saying I wanted to find Edwins sisters and their husbands as my dad has a strong 'feeling' with Clacton. Brenda kindly found me the death certificate of Florence.I have ordered that today.I am hoping that the address on the certificate might jog my fathers memory a bit.
I havenot been able to trace the other two sisters yet.

Brenda.

That death registration looks promising. The only worry with it is that is says he died in 1953. Bith of his daughters had him down as deceased on their marriage certificates in 1930 and 1938.

I know that I am really clutching at the slightest thing now but would anyone here think that Dorothea and her sister thought there father was dead,or was Dorothea just lieing? Im 50/50 as to order the certificate or not.What do any of you think.Id love some advise please.

Its been bugging me all day that Dorothea,her sister or their mother werenot on Edwins Army records either.Umm!!

Dionne
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Sorry for the first two sentances of my last message.Should read, I think I have come to the end of the line with Edwin.
Dionne
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Think that these are possible deaths for Edwins parents;

William Livermore age 78 (born 1862)
Colchester
1st qtr 1940
vol 4a page 2169

Sarah A Livermore age 83 (born 1858)
Colchester
4th qtr 1941
vol 4a page 1309

Dionne
You do have the details of Edith Annie Harvey/Livermore?

Brenda

Moody Blue

Well done for finding the deaths! What if I look at Probate Index next time at Kew (probably Saturday), to see if either left a will and children were mentioned?

That would be good, Ann! Maybe get a little nearer to some answers?

Brenda

OK, will look up possible wills for Edwin/Edwards parents.

Something else for me to look at. The Library at Kew has a history of the RAMC. If available on Saturday (building work at Kew means the library is in a bit of a state at the moment), I'll have a look. Might shed some light on where they were and what they were doing in SA up to 1911, and where they went after that!

Hi Margaret.

Thankyou for posting the information.Unfortunately we dont think that this is the right Edwin

Hi Brenda

Thankyou for the further info.I spent hours going through my notes and found the marriages of the sisters.

Hi Ann

What an angel you are going back to Kew. I think you should get a bed there,lol.

A small update for you.Did some hot matches seach on genes and two trees came up with what looks like to be the father of Edwin. I have posted messages to both.

I will not be about much over the next few days. My son passes out in the Navy this Friday. He will become a qualified Warfare Specialist.Hes only 19.I have family coming tomorrow to stay for the event.I will try and pop in one I can but please fogive me if you dont see me about much untill Sat/Sun.

Dionne
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I'm there every week Dionne, so it's no problem.

Congratulations to your son - how exciting! Hope you all have a great weekend.

Hi again Dionne, further to what I posted last night have you looked on the Trying to find Boards (UNDER LIVERMORE) ? or indeed for that matter has anyone else ?

All the Best BOB,.,

What a good idea, there are ten LIVERMORE threads on there, Dionne, you will need to read and see if they relate to you.

Nicki

Hi again Dionne, came across this entry on FBMD
Frank W Livermore
Bn Edmonton
4thQ 1915
MMN PINNUCK
You have a PITTUCK on your thread could there be spelling mistake???

PS, a message that I posted this morning and this afternoon isnt here.