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there is a George Groom Lear born in 1850, this could be the cousin

That's this one I think... (1861) John Lear abt 1825 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Head Madeley Staffordshire Mary Lear abt 1828 Wintersow, Cheshire, England Wife Madeley Staffordshire >> Geo Lear abt 1850 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Son Madeley Staffordshire Alice Lear abt 1852 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Madeley Staffordshire Jesse Lear abt 1854 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Son Madeley Staffordshire Sarah Lear abt 1856 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Madeley Staffordshire John Lear abt 1860 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Son Madeley Staffordshire Joseph Lear abt 1845 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Boarder Madeley Staffordshire This is John in 1841... Francis Lea, 60, Farmer, No Joseph '', 25, Y John '', 15, Y Henry '', 15, Y Living Manor Farm, Madeley. This explains the Groom bit... Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850 LEAR John GROOM Mary Madeley, All Saints Newcastle-Under-Lyme C16/1/84

I knew it was Hannah, ( can not remember from where)did not know it was lea which is the early name for Lear.

Didn't know you were gonna open a can of worms when you asked such an innocent question, did you? lol

I can't work out who Hannahs parents are. Do you have access to the 1851 index?

I think you have found another branch on the 41. Johns parents are Richard and Martha and his grandparents are Richard and Elizabeth. I do not know who francis is?

There's far too many Richards in this family lol Francis could be Richards brother? Though maybe not since one was born in Stafford and not the other.

No I do not have access. I wish I did. This is turnung into a very big can of worms. I have just checked my tree and can not find Hannah 1812. Is her maiden name name something else I wonder? Looking through all my lea marriages.

Thomas and Hannah in 1841 Thomas Lewis, 25, Mine? Lab, can't read born in/out of county William '', 5, Y Samuel '', 3, Y George Lewis, 2mths, Y Hannah Lewish, 20, Y living Madeley Heath

Sorry Tracy, I lost my internet connection and could not get back on. Someone has been very helpful on the fam. search. There is an Hanna Leese noted for 1812 in Newcastle. No parents. What is the point in that? I can not find any possible widows for her. Yes there are to many Richards. on the 41 there are three in the same household. Richard Ashley/Lear grandfather is Richard Ashley. I can not find him either, but thats for another day

They also have children Martha in 49 henry in 52 and Emma 56. Did not know of William and Sam. Its not a cup of tea I owe you, more like a lot of large brandies.

I HAVE GOT HER. born 17 may 1812 in Keele. Less than a mile from Madeley. I feel like I am going round in circles. I mentioned her parents before, its Richard and Martha. Now I know where to look for there marriage, which I could not find. She also has a sister Anne born 1814.

Tracy, You are not going to beleive this. There is marriage for Richard Lear 1810 Norton in the moors. He marries a Martha LEWES, YES, THATS RIGHT........ LEWES

So let me see if I got this right... Richard and Elizabeth had Richard who married Martha and they had Richard who married Ann Ashley who had Richard Ashley Lear So they are all related after all :) lol - this thing just keeps going in circles! I guess it must've been a close community!

Does your library have Norton in the Moors records? You should check that marriage out, since it's not direct from records. Wouldn't suprise me in the least though lol

Yes. I am in the process of trying to map it all out. By the way, an alternative spelling has sometimes been leya, something to do with the accent I think

Unfortunatly no. Its not the only one I have to look up for this parish.

I still can't find your Richard in 1861 or 1871 lol Wish I could wave a magic wand :) Do you want either of these instead? lol Richard Clay abt 1837 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Brother Swynnerton Staffordshire Richard Peake abt 1836 Madeley, Staffordshire, England Head Fazeley Staffordshire

Do you have access to Rootschat? Might be an idea to enlist the help of people with CDs.

Sorry Tracy, I was trying to map out. You found Martha on the 71 married to a Thomas Lewis. I just found the marriage in 68. Lewis marries a Lewis which is why there is no other surname on her second Marriage. Bmd has a death in 73 so she did not hang around for long. I am about to try and find out who he is. Yes I occaisionaly use Rootschat. Unlike here, I do not always get a reply.