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Hi Joyce I realy dont have any answers. You could get a copy of the entry in the marriage register but I dont think it will give you anything more than the marriage cert. If you think this is worth while then you will need to ask the local records office to send you a copy. Their web site is: archive(.)liverpool(.)gov(.)uk/researchdetails(.)html ignore brackets in address. Suzanne

i have just noticeon there sons birth cert its also got counties of bootle and lancaster sub district of walton

i phoned up today the records and they said they couldnt help if i didnt no were she was born,but i will try and have another go as she is the only one missing from my mum side of the family and theres no family left to ask,thank you all for your help

I'm having difficulty getting my head around the facts here. Correct me if I'm wrong, please! 1. Ada Mary BASSINDALE married in 1893. 2. She states at time of marriage her father = John BASSINDALE (deceased) licenced victualler 3. In the birth certs of at least one child her maiden name is shown as BASSINDALE. 4. In the 1901 census her place of birth is Manchester. 5. There are no sure sighting pre-marriage in any census 6. There is no John BASSINDALELicenced Victualler in any of the census or Historucal Directories. 7. The names of the witnesses of the marriage do not appear to assist. Has anyone found this Mary BUNFIELD. Could it be BINFIELD?? Pete

hi suzanne have just tried to do it but it wont come up on my pc,i removed brackets as you said but nothing

hi pete yes you have got it right but she is named on all her childrens births cert as bassindale,and it is bunfield im not sure but i think jess found out were she came from,but it wasnt from around bootle

Hi Joyce No I dont suppose they will be able to find her birth but you might want to get the marriage entry as another point of reference: http(://)archive(.)liverpool(.)gov.uk/home(.)html try this ignore brackets again. Suzanne

Has anyone checked out this family before. 1871 census. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish or Township County Ada Bassendale abt 1869 Hepworth, Lincolnshire, England Granddaughter Salford Lancashire Elizabeth Bassendale abt 1863 Hepworth, Lincolnshire, England Granddaughter Salford Lancashire Louisa Bassendale abt 1860 Hepworth, Lincolnshire, England Granddaughter Salford Lancashire William Bassendale abt 1802 Hepworth, Lincolnshire, England Head Salford Lancashire Maggie Cifone abt 1839 Hepworth, Lincolnshire, England Visitor Salford Lancashire Source information: RG10/4026 Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Regent Road ED, institution, or vessel: 42 Folio: 74 Page: 16 Household schedule number: 82

Hi Pete Yes I followed her and its not her Im afraid. Suzanne

Ok won't go there then! What about the man Johnson BASSINDALE who appears in the census from 1861 to 1901. Pete

hi pete havent seen that do you have any information about him

Dont remeber johnson bassindale ~ wonder how we missed him! will take him back and see what occurs..... mind you, according to Ada when she married he should be dead! ~~1901~~ Ethel Bassindale abt 1891 Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Gainsborough Lincolnshire Everson J Bassindale abt 1892 Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England Son Gainsborough Lincolnshire Johnson Bassindale abt 1856 Blaston, Lincolnshire, England Head Gainsborough Lincolnshire Lizzie Bassindale abt 1885 Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Gainsborough Lincolnshire Maude Bassindale abt 1887 Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Gainsborough Lincolnshire Milly Bassindale abt 1894 Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Gainsborough Lincolnshire Thomas Robinson abt 1848 Epworth, Lincolnshire, England Boarder Gainsborough Lincolnshire occupation: general carrier drayman (?) i think ==================================== ~~1891~~ Bassindale, Alice M abt 1887 Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Gainsborough Lincolnshire Bassindale, Annie E abt 1885 Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Gainsborough Lincolnshire Bassindale, Edith abt 1888 Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Gainsborough Lincolnshire Bassindale, Emma abt 1862 Misterton, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Gainsborough Lincolnshire Bassindale, Ethel abt 1890 Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Gainsborough Lincolnshire Bassindale, Johnson abt 1860 Blachstone Grange, Yorkshire, England Head Gainsborough Lincolnshire address 1a Coffee tavern yard ...a groom ======================================== ~~1881~~ a servant.... View Record Johnson Bassendall abt 1857 Black Stowe, Yorkshire, England Servant Silver Street, Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England umarried groom / servant ~~1871 ~~ is he going to be at home with a sister ada? can see him anywhere ============================= ~~1861~~ Argggggghhh Wroot!! Ann Elizabeth Bassendale abt 1859 Batemans Lidge, Yorkshire, England Daughter Blaxton Yorkshire Elizabeth Bassendale abt 1818 Westwoodside, Lincolnshire, England Wife Blaxton Yorkshire John Bassendale abt 1818 Belton, Lincolnshire, England Head Blaxton Yorkshire Johnson Bassendale abt 1856 Batemans Lidge, Yorkshire, England Son Blaxton Yorkshire Thomas Bassendale abt 1853 Wroot, Lincolnshire, England Son Blaxton Yorkshire William Bassendale abt 1850 Wroot, Lincolnshire, England Son Blaxton Yorkshire

Oh Jess, You've done them too! The more I look at Johnson the less convinced I am about him. He is the only one with any vague connection with the brewery trade and has father named John but no obvious connection to Ada. What about the Ada born 1865. BASSINDALE Ada. Qtr: March Dist: Thorne Vol 9c Page 566 I expect that this is the one shown as daugher of Robert and Emma in the 1871 census. Hasn't she been 'flogged to death' as an option? Ada Bassindale abt 1865 Wroot, Lincolnshire, Daughter Emma Bassindale abt 1846 Hatfield, Yorkshire, England Wife Frank Bassindale abt 1869 Finningley, Nottinghamshire, Son Fred Bassindale abt 1867 Blaxton, Yorkshire, Son George Bassindale abt 1871 Finningley, Nottinghamshire, Son Robert Bassindale abt 1842 Belton, Lincolnshire, Head John Kirby abt 1842 Newcastle, Staffordshire, Lodger So what is stopping this one from being Samuel's wife. Reason 1 According marriage cert born c1869. She wouldn't be the first girl to knock a couple of years off so her old man thinks he's wedding a young maid! Reason 2. Place of birth according to 1901 census is wrong - and not even close. Reason 3. Father's name according to marriage cert is John. Why would she want to say the wrong name. If her father was Robert, he was still alive at the time of the marriage. However no record of a beer selling John BASSINDALE has been found so far. So what happens to 1865 Ada then????? Pete

Pete, Ive only 'done them' because otherwise i look and forget what i have looked at and why i have dismissed it. cant find the louisa with grandfather in 1871 , back in 1861 anyway!!

I agree, Jess. I have written the reasons why she is wrong (above) because I'll forget too - and when this question gets reposted in a month's time it might just stop one of attempting to reinvert the wheel I suppose a long laborious search through directories for the Manchester area may just locate a beer selling John, but there is nothing in the directories on the Historic Directories website that fits the bill. Pete

1841 Census for Lincolnshire has a Jonathan BASSINDALE - occupation Brewer! Ref HO107-0638 Image No 396 Folio No 31/7 Page No 6 Entry No 23 Location details County LINCOLNSHIRE Superintendent Registrar's District GLANFORD BRIGG Registrar's District BRIGG Enumeration District No 12 Parish KIRTON IN LINDSEY Last Name First Name Sex Age Birth County BASSINDALE JONATHAN M 50 LINCOLNSHIRE BASSINDALE HELLEN F 45 OUT OF COUNTY BASSINDALE WILLIAM M 8 OUT OF COUNTY BASSINDALE JOHN M 13 OUT OF COUNTY Address: KIRTON IN LINDSEY LINCOLNSHIRE Pete

Pete how i wish I had saved the old thread, (or remembered what i called it) when everyone had a concerted effort for Joyce , about sept Time, i even have Jpegs of all the certs!!

Gawd! think i am getting desperate here! of course he has no occupation, But at least in B** manchester!! Ann Baxendale abt 1823 Manchester, Lancashire, England Lodger Manchester Lancashire Ann Baxendale abt 1843 Manchester, Lancashire, England Lodger Manchester Lancashire Helen Baxendale abt 1848 Manchester, Lancashire, England Lodger Manchester Lancashire >>John Baxendale abt 1845 Manchester, Lancashire, England Lodger Manchester Lancashire James Woodward abt 1819 Derbyshire, England Head Manchester Lancashire Sarah Woodward abt 1811 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife Manchester Lancashire

Hi Jess, One of Joyce's original threads was called-- sorry to ask again-- It's on the Records board Jackie x

Janathan Bassindale is still in the brewery industry in the 1861 census! Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Jonathan Bassindale abt 1790 Bratoft, Lincolnshire, England Head Mary A Bassindale abt 1808 Hull, Holy Trinity Wife Elizabeth Jordeson abt 1849 Hull, St Mary Stepdaughter George S Jordeson abt 1839 Hull Sculcoates Step Son Son Of The Catter RG9/3596 Registration district: Hull Sub-registration district: Myton ED, institution, or vessel: 40 Folio: 10 Page: 19