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I need a mystery solving I have been trying now off and on for four years so if anyone wants to play Sherlock heres the story. My grandfathers brother WILLIAM CHAMBERLAIN born in Stepney Middlesex 1845 went to live and work in Manchester at the age of 17,thats on census he is occupation is down as FISH CURER the next time I find him is when he has a wife and son living in Grimsby this from the 1871 census The wife is named Jane born Manchester the son is named as JOHN WILLIAM born Manchester abt 1868. Then on the 1881 census I find William and son in lodgings in Grimsby,same occupation,only this time no wife around and he has named his son as JOSEPH by now he is 13yrs old. My plight is what date did they marry? What was her maiden name? Did she leave him or did she die,if so what date did she die and where? Why did the sons name change? The next time I find William he is living at my grandparents home in Grimsby 1891 no son with him. The last trace I can find of him is in 1901 still living at my grandparents in Grimsby. ANYBODY UP FOR THIS CHALLENGE??? I hope I can recieve some help with this mystery. thankyou Emmybaby xxxx

1871 just for reference Jane Chamberlain abt 1849 Manchester Wife Grimsby Lincolnshire John William Chamberlain abt 1868 Manchester Son Grimsby Lincolnshire William Chamberlain abt 1846 London, England Head Grimsby Lincolnshire

possible marriage William Chamberlain Year of Registration: 1865 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Manchester (1837-1924) County: Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 534 William Chamberlain 1865 Apr-May-Jun Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Jane Slee 1865 Apr-May-Jun Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire may be not - the only Jane Slee from Manchester was born in 1841 - so too young

Elaine, Thanks ,its baffling isnt it? On the 1871 census Jane is down as being aged 22 yrs xxxx

and this one, but hull is near grimsby, i know year is out, but if she wasnt living with him, and had other children, a possibility? Name: Jane Chamberlain Birth Date: abt 1844 Year of Registration: 1891 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at death: 47 District: Hull County: East Riding Of Yorkshire, Humberside Volume: 9d Page: 157 julie

i could find no ref for a john william, but i did find one for a Joseph!! birth Name: Joseph Chamberlain Year of Registration: 1867 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Lancaster County: Lancashire Volume: 8e Page: 644 julie

Elaine,it may be the correct marriage as he would have been 20 yrs and she 17 yrs,why do you say too young? xxxxx

Because when I tried to find a Jane Slee on previous census the only one I could find (born in Manchester) was born in 1841 - on the 1871 census your Jane was born in 1849

Hiya DS This is what I cannt get a grip of Why call him John William on one census the change it for the next census the mind is boggled xxxxxx

Really sorry but am just going round in circles here and not finding anything !

hiya again, elaine dont forget that 1841 census ages were rounded down to nearest age!!!!!! so i would think that it IS her in question, it has only just dawned on me (duh!) about ages. Julie

Sorry probably didn´t explain myself fully. Found a possible marriage to a Jane Slee - so then looked on the census for a Jane Slee b c1849 in Manchester (which would match up with the Jane Chamberlain on the 1871 census) - and the only Jane Slee I could find in the 1851 & 1861 census was a Jane Slee born in 1840/1841. I really think the age difference is too much to think this might be the right one.

Hi girls I have been thinking,just cos they got married in Manchester and the son was born in Manchester it doesnt mean to say Jane was born there does it??? just a thought emmybaby xxx

hiya, me again, lets start at beginning, do you have a birth cert for william????? and did he have ANY other names??? julie

Re Jane - was just going by the 1871 census where she claims to have been born in Manchester - but of course not necessarily true !!!!

Yes thanks a lot Elaine,its me Im tired been at this family all thru the night,I should have realised it says where she was born,me looking for a miricle do you think? love emmybaby xxxxx

here we are: 1881 census View Record Alice Binks abt 1868 Sth Ormesby, Lincoln, England Visitor Great Grimsby Lincolnshire View Record Anne M. Binks abt 1870 Sth Ormesby, Lincoln, England Daughter Great Grimsby Lincolnshire >>> Joseph Chamberlain abt 1868 Manchester, Lancashire, England Boarder Great Grimsby Lincolnshire >>> William Chamberlain abt 1846 London, London, Middlesex, England Boarder Great Grimsby Lincolnshire View Record Minnie Hale abt 1868 Grimsby, Lincoln, England Visitor Great Grimsby Lincolnshire View Record Emma Peck abt 1853 Laughton, Lincoln, England Wife Great Grimsby Lincolnshire View Record Tom Peck abt 1853 Gainsboro, Lincoln, England Head Great Grimsby Lincolnshire i know you've seen this, but did you look at image??? it states william as MARRIED, not a WIDOW, julie

1891 still listed as married, View Record Elizabeth E Chamberlain abt 1875 Grainsby, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Clee with Weelsby Lincolnshire View Record John Chamberlain abt 1848 London, England Head Clee with Weelsby Lincolnshire View Record John W Chamberlain abt 1874 Grainsby, Lincolnshire, England Son Clee with Weelsby Lincolnshire View Record Margaret Chamberlain abt 1854 Manchester Wife Clee with Weelsby Lincolnshire View Record William Chamberlain abt 1844 London, Lincolnshire, England Brother Clee with Weelsby Lincolnshire julie

and again in 1901, still listed as married View Record Elizabeth E Chamberlain abt 1875 Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Clee Lincolnshire View Record John Wm Chamberlain abt 1874 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Clee Lincolnshire View Record Margaret Chamberlain abt 1854 Manchester, Lancashire, England Head Clee Lincolnshire >> William Chamberlain abt 1841 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Brother-in-law Clee Lincolnshire View Record Mary Wood abt 1825 Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England Mother Clee Lincolnshire julie

Hi Julie,yes I have this census printout and this is what got me thinking,were is Jane for him to be a boarder in the town of Grimsby the addy for that was Edward Terrace. The previous census the 1871 one has all three living together at 154 Albert Street Grimsby. The census you talk about for 1891 is were he is living at my Grandparents house (his younger brother john) Margaret is married to John and it also states Grainsby when it should read Grimsby. Elizabeth Eleanor is my grandmother,John William is my nanas brother. Margaret Is my gt grandmother who was born in Manchester nee Wood. SO WHERE HAS JANE GONE THEN ???? More questions I fear Dr Watson. xxxxxxx love Lesley xxxxx