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Thanks to everyone on this one..... I managed to get the marriage records checked and it all adds up and it is the right family....every link fits :o) Much appreciated to those who helped :o)

Wow I don't know how to thank you all.....it is amazing what a fresh pair of eyes can see..... I have ordered two of the childrens Birth Certificates and they will arrive on July1st from GRO.... Fishing as an occupation seems to run through my fathers side of the family and now it looks like my mothers side....although originating in Grimsby, it isn't too much of a shock....I was just concerned when John didn't appear on the later census' and the spelling Playl I must remember without the E on the end....

Hate to see anyone going mad. Have a CD of Grimsby marriages. Hope these keep you from the nuthouse: Each marriage lists groom, his age, occ,addy, father, father;s occ then same for bride, followed by witnesses. St. Andrew's Grimsby 30/09/1882 PLAYL JOHN 21 fisherman 26 Nelson St WILLIAM farmer - he X FULLER ELLEN ELIZABETH 21 -- same address ADAM sawyer ARTHUR DARWOOD SARAH ANN FULLER St. Andrew's Grimsby 01/01/1892 PLAYLE ALFRED 20 fisherman 38 Orwell St WILLIAM labourer LOFT SARAH FRANCES 19 -- same address GEORGE FREDERICK shunter GEORGE F LOFT ANNIE CORNER St. John's Cleethorpes Road 03/08/1912 PLAYLE Alfred 25 labourer 42 Oxford St John fisherman GARFIT Maria 24 -- same address John deceased fisherman George Robert GARFIT May EYRE Register Office Grimsby 15/07/1920 PLAYLE Alfred 48 Widower Master Fisherman 310 Weelsby Street Grimsby William Farm Labourer AISTHORPE Ethel Mary 40 Widow ---- 198 Freeman Street Grimsby Frederick MURDEN (Decd) Gardener George CROSS Mary Ann CROSS three --- St.James, Grimsby 14/03/1888 PLAYLE Arthur ROBINSON Alice May St. John's Cleethorpes Road 25/12/1911 TOOGOOD Alfred Edward 21 fisherman 225 Stanley St George William fisherman PLAYLE Lizzie Ellen 21 -- same address John fisherman Charles Thomas CALVER Maria GARFIT St. John's Cleethorpes Road 24/12/1907 PLAYLE John William 24 boxmaker 42 Garibaldi St John fisherman GEARY Lily 21 -- 252 Hope St George marine engineer Charles FULLER Lizzie PLAYLE Also, many of my Grimsby fishermen were away fishing on census nite. It's quite common. Deb H

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Hi Rachel, let us know when you've picked up all this info and had chance to go through it peeps ! If you have any doubts at all ... then let us know where and when..! Elaine ;-)

I don' t know if you've already got their children's marriages, but just in case: Lizzie: either Lindley or Alfred Gertrude Fisher 1911 Oct-Nov-Dec Grimsby Lizzie E Playle 1911 Oct-Nov-Dec Grimsby Alfred E Toogood 1911 Oct-Nov-Dec Grimsby Lindley H Williams 1911 Oct-Nov-Dec Grimsby John: Nellie or Lily Nellie Do__S 1907 Oct-Nov-Dec Grimsby Frank Fox 1907 Oct-Nov-Dec Grimsby Lily Geary 1907 Oct-Nov-Dec Grimsby John William Playle 1907 Oct-Nov-Dec Grimsby

Rachel It looks as though John was actually recorded twice on the census!!!!! John Playl abt 1863 Maldon, Essex, England Vessels Lincolnshire He was on the 'Cambria' A bit like buses..................... Heather found the marriage................ Reg

lol ... Or something ... ????? Think we'll stick with, Great minds think alike :-) Gives me a bit of confidence :-)))) Elaine ;-) Best put kettle on .........

Elaine............ Didn't realise you'd found him!! Just added my twopenn'orth without checking other replies..........great minds!! Or something........... Reg

Could this be a brother? 1881.............perhaps employment was a problem in Essex............ Arthur Playle abt 1863 Maldon, Essex, England Apprentice Clee with Weelsby Lincolnshire Reg

Sorry Reg, Didn't realise you had found John Playle on the 1881 as a Fisherman ... Must read ALL the thread in future ! Out of practice ...!! ... and out of time, visitors on their way ! Back later Elaine ;-)

Ellen is 'married' in both 1891 and 1901. If her husband is the fisherman I found lodging in Grimsby in 1881, he was probably away at sea on the census nights. The marriage cert will give you the name and occupation of John's father, to enable you to trace him in earlier censuses. Reg

William on the 1851: Tillingham Essex Mary Playle abt 1802 Bradwell, Essex, England Head William Playle abt 1832 Bradwell, Essex, England Son <<<< Eliza Playle abt 1835 Bradwell, Essex, England Daughter Matilda Playle abt 1838 Bradwell, Essex, England Daughter John Playle abt 1840 Bradwell, Essex, England Son George Sebben abt 1829 Mile End Colchester, Essex, England Lodger same family on 1841: Mary Playle abt 1806 Essex, England Tillingham Essex Sarah Playle abt 1826 Essex, England Tillingham Essex Hannah Playle abt 1828 Essex, England Tillingham Essex George Playle abt 1830 Essex, England Tillingham Essex William Playle abt 1832 Essex, England Tillingham Essex <<<< Eliza Playle abt 1834 Essex, England Tillingham Essex Matilda Playle abt 1837 Essex, England Tillingham Essex John Playle abt 1839 Essex, England Tillingham Essex

Same family on 1861: Bradwell Essex William Playle abt 1833 Dengie, Essex, England Head Eliza Playle abt 1833 Bradwell, Essex, England Wife Mary J Playle abt 1852 Tillingham, Essex, England Daughter Zillah Playle abt 1853 Bradwell, Essex, England Daughter Elijah Playle abt 1854 Bradwell, Essex, England Son Hannah Playle abt 1855 Bradwell, Essex, England Daughter William Playle abt 1857 Bradwell, Essex, England Son George Playle abt 1858 Bradwell, Essex, England Son Eliza Playle abt 1859 Bradwell, Essex, England Daughter John Playle abt 1861 Maldon, Essex, England Son <<<<

... Possible for 1871: Bradwell on Sea Essex William Playle 1833 Essex Head (Ag Lab) Eliza Playle abt 1834 Bradwell on Sea, Essex, England Wife Arthur Playle abt 1864 Bradwell on Sea, Essex, England Son George Playle abt 1859 Bradwell on Sea, Essex, England Son James Playle abt 1869 Bradwell on Sea, Essex, England Son John Playle abt 1861 Bradwell on Sea, Essex, England Son <<<<<<< Kerenhappuch Playle abt 1870 Bradwell on Sea, Essex, England Daughter Matilda Playle abt 1865 Bradwell on Sea, Essex, England Daughter Births Mar 1870 Playle Karenhappuch Maldon 4a 255 (Just incase there's any doubt !!)

1881. There is a John Playle who was born in Essex but LODGING in GRIMSBY ...... most likely the same chap !!! John Playle abt 1861 Maldon, Essex, England Lodger Great Grimsby Lincolnshire Household:Great Grimsby Lincolnshire George Hallet abt 1847 Alford, Lincoln, England Head Jane Hallet abt 1850 Grimsby, Lincoln, England Wife Mary A. Hallet abt 1870 Grimsby, Lincoln, England Daughter Robert Turner abt 1857 Grimsby, Lincoln, England Brother in Law Noah Jacques abt 1863 Nottinghamshire, England Lodger John Playle abt 1861 Maldon, Essex, England Lodger <<<<<<< Frederick Taylor abt 1861 Gravesend, Kent, England Lodger William Greene abt 1859 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Lodger

So .... can we assume that your nan is a descendant of John Playle ? Elaine ;-)

Interestingly on the 1891, there is a Polly Fuller (no jokes!) living next door but one to Ellen, with her sister Sarah A Darwood who is also listed as HEAD and married. My guess is both husbands are out fishing together!

Odd that he isn't with them in 1891, and Ellen is down as HEAD, but then there is another child in 1900. Hmmm.! I've checked the image for 1891 and she is down as married so I guess he must be off fishing somewhere. The name Playle appears to come from Essex so I would imagine he heralds from there, and was just living in Grimsby when he met Ellen. The only way you can now be sure is to get one of the children's birth certificates. I think Reggie has found the right man in 1881 but you need to be certain before you can claim him! Mags. x

Not that I can read hon....