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Hi Pen Well what do I say you cannot believe just how helpful that has been. Thanks once again. Heather

Hi Penelope After such a great job of finding the Westworths for me, I wonder if you can help me in so much as tracing another Relative: Here goes Mary Ann Robinson born 1875 Apr – June Preston Married Thomas Fazackerley Oct – Dec 1894, I have copy of their Marriage Certificate, however, her Father Richard was deceased ?? and yes here comes the questions…. 1881 Census – No Trace of her could you look on 1871 for me. Richard Robinson 1871 Census – Who was he married to, names of wife & children. Then if possible names of his parents. This is all the information that I have without seeing the census. I hope that it will be of some use. Look forward to hearing from you Heather

Hi Pen Thanks for the Betts of Teston. John Betts occupation of shoemaker -this is just what i needed to confirm him. Kerri

Heather Think you may have a tricky one here Heather, lol......... What do you think ? *********************************************** 1901 for ref Name: Mary A Fazackerley Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Thomas Gender: Female Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Preston Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: St Peter ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 150 Household Members: Name Age Arthur Fazackerley 8 abt 1893 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Fred S Fazackerley 3 abt 1898 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Mary A Fazackerley 25 abt 1876 Preston, Lancashire, England Wife Richard B Fazackerley 5 abt 1896 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Thomas Fazackerley 31 abt 1870 Preston, Lancashire, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3949; Folio: 153; Page: 20 *************************************************************************** 1891 This could be her - Name: Mary Ann Robinson Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where Born: Preston, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Preston Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Preston Sub registration district: St Peter ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household Members: Name Age Dorothy Ann Clayton 22 abt 1869 Preston, Lancashire, England Stepdaughter Elizabeth Clayton 56 abt 1835 Preston, Lancashire, England Head John Thomas Clayton 19 abt 1872 Preston, Lancashire, England Stepson Rebecca Clayton 10 abt 1881 Preston, Lancashire, England Daughter Lizzie Robinson 21 abt 1870 Preston, Lancashire, England Daughter Mary Ann Robinson 17 abt 1874 Preston, Lancashire, England Daughter ************************************************* 1881 - possible ??? Name: Rebecca Clayton Relation: Daughter Father's name: Henry Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where Born: Preston, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Preston County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 76 Haydock Street Registration district: Preston Sub registration district: St Peter ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4233; Folio: 102; Page: 2; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342013. Household Members: Name Age Dorothy A. Clayton 12 abt 1869 Preston, Lancashire, England Daughter Elizabeth Clayton 43 abt 1838 Preston, Lancashire, England Wife Elizabeth Clayton 12 abt 1869 Preston, Lancashire, England Daughter Henry Clayton 36 abt 1845 Preston, Lancashire, England Head James Clayton 15 abt 1866 Preston, Lancashire, England Son John T. Clayton 9 abt 1872 Preston, Lancashire, England Son ***Mary Clayton 7 abt 1874 Preston, Lancashire, England Daughter Rebecca Clayton Preston, Lancashire, England Daughter Richard Clayton 17 abt 1864 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4233; Folio: 102; Page: 2; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342013. *************************** 1871 Name: Elizabeth Robinson Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Preston Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Preston ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Robinson 33 Elizabeth Robinson 1 Elizabeth Whittam 54 John Whittam 53 Address 22 Paradise Street Occupation of head - Labourer at Gas Works Occupation of Elizabeth - somrthing ??? tenter in a cotton mill Elizabeth is showing as married, so you need to find a Robinson/Whittam Marriage. Looks like we will not find them on a census together. The next thing to try is - find and order the marriage cert. Pen x

Hi Penelop You are one busy lady. I have found out a bit more since we last spoke.My Catherine Norwood was born in Weston Turville, Buckingham around 1864. She married James Deering on the 24th April 1882 in Weston Turville, Buckingham. She is as far as I go back with my maternal great grandparents, so I would be very interested in her parents names and siblings that might show up on the 71 or 81 census. Next project will be her entry into Australia. Thanking you for the time and effort you put into this. Trish....Australia

Trish ***** TWO MESSAGE'S **** continued on next message 1871 Name: Catherine Norwood Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Henry Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: Weston Turville, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Weston Turville Town: Weston Turville County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Aylesbury Sub-registration district: Aston Clinton ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 108 Household Members: Name Age Catherine Norwood 6 abt 1865 Weston Turville, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Elizabeth Norwood 48 abt 1823 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Wife Emma Norwood 6 Elizabeth abt 1865 Weston Turville, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Henry Norwood 53 abt 1818 Halton, Buckinghamshire, England Head Joseph Norwood 11 abt 1860 Weston Turville, Buckinghamshire, England Son Sarah Norwood 13 abt 1858 Weston Turville, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1413; Folio: 115; Page: 25; GSU roll: 828768. Have checked out the image... Address - Main Street (no number given) Occupation of head of house - Ag Lab *************************************************************************** 1861 Name: Sarah Norwood Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Henery Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: Weston Turville, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Weston Turville Ecclesiastical parish: Weston Turville County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Aylesbury Sub-registration district: Aston Clinton ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 103 Household Members: Name Age James Evens 17 abt 1844 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Son Cepe Van Julia Evens 14 abt 1847 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Cepe Van Elizabeth Norwood 39 abt 1822 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Wife Henery Norwood 46 abt 1815 Alton, Buckinghamshire, England Head Joseph Norwood 1 abt 1860 Weston Turville, Buckinghamshire, England Son Sarah Norwood 3 abt 1858 Weston Turville, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 867; Folio: 112; Page: 19; GSU roll: 542713. Have checked out the image ... Address - West End Occupation of the head of house - Ag Lab Occupation of James Evens - Ag lab Occupation of Julia Evens - Plaiter The relationships on the image for the Evens children reads - Although having a rellie called a Cepe Van might be nice, lol.... son before mar daughter before mar NEVER seen that before ! Might be step-children, not sure *************************************************************************** 1851 Name: Henry Norwood Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Relation: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Halton, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Halton County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Aylesbury Sub-registration district: Haddenham ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Edwin Norwood 18 abt 1833 Halton, Buckinghamshire, England Son Emma Norwood 13 abt 1838 Halton, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Henry Norwood 33 abt 1818 Halton, Buckinghamshire, England Son Sarah Norwood 58 abt 1793 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, England Wife William Norwood 57 abt 1794 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, England Head Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1721; Folio: 464; Page: 33; GSU roll: 193629. Have checked out the image... Address - Halton Village Occupation of head of house - Ag Lab... sons are also Ag Lab Occupation of wife and daughter - Plaiter ***************************************************************************

Trish ***message 2*** 1851 Name: Julia Evans Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Wendover County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Wycombe Sub-registration district: West Wycombe ED, institution, or vessel: 3d Household schedule number: 53 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Bradley 16 abt 1835 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Fredrick Bradley 6 abt 1845 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Son Irrabella Bradley 14 abt 1837 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Mary Bradley 40 abt 1811 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Head Sophia Bradley 18 abt 1833 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter **James Evans 7 abt 1844 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Son **Julia Evans 4 abt 1847 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Granddaughter ***will check out the image .... Head is a widow and has a P in occupation ( a couple above have the head down as Pauper and the wife as a P) looks like it might mean Pauper Irrabella - Image reads Arrabella (althougth the A is slightly faded) The other children are also straw plaiters (apart from Julia) Occupation of Sophia - straw plaiter Address - Ton Houses Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1720; Folio: 365; Page: 14; GSU roll: 193628. *************************************************************************** This might be your missing Elizabeth ... 1851 Name: Elizabeth Evans Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Wendover Town: Wendover County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Wycombe Sub-registration district: West Wycombe ED, institution, or vessel: 3b Household schedule number: 100 Household Members: Name Age Mary Billington 71 Elizabeth Evans 28 Have checked out image... Address - Aylesbury Street Occupation of Elizabeth - House Servant - unmarried Occupation of Mary Billington - Proprietor of house Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1720; Folio: 338; Page: 23; GSU roll: 193628. *************************************************************************** This looks like their marriage - Name: Elizabeth Evans Year of Registration: 1857 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Aylesbury County: Buckinghamshire Volume: 3a Page: 643 (click to see others on page) ***** Name: Henry Norwood Year of Registration: 1857 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Aylesbury County: Buckinghamshire Volume: 3a Page: 643 (click to see others on page) *************************************************************************** 1841 for Henry Norwood View Record Edwen Norwood abt 1833 Buckinghamshire, England Halton Buckinghamshire View Record Emma Norwood abt 1837 Buckinghamshire, England Halton Buckinghamshire View Record Henry Norwood abt 1821 Buckinghamshire, England Halton Buckinghamshire View Record Sarah Norwood abt 1796 Buckinghamshire, England Halton Buckinghamshire View Record William Norwood abt 1796 Buckinghamshire, England Halton Buckinghamshire Source information: HO107/41/7 Registration district: Aylesbury Sub-registration district: Aston Clinton ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Page: 11 (click to see others on page) Line number: 12 GSU Number: 241211 *************************************************************************** 1841 Elizabeth Evans Name: Elizabeth Evans Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Wendover Hundred: Aylesbury County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Source information: HO107/43/7 Registration district: Wycombe Sub-registration district: Wendover ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Folio: 7 Page: 10 (click to see others on page) Line number: 19 GSU Number: 241211 She is shown as FS (female servant) and is with this household - Ann Holland abt 1771 Buckinghamshire, England Wendover Buckinghamshire View Record John Holland abt 1816 Buckinghamshire, England Wendover Buckinghamshire View Record Joseph Holland abt 1816 Buckinghamshire, England Wendover Buckinghamshire View Record Richard Holland abt 1776 Wendover Buckinghamshire I don't know if you realise, but the 1881 census is available free at www.familysearch.org - which also has the IGI Pen x

Jeanette Stockwell Hi 1841 - ??? Name: Charles Cowles Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Sandhurst Hundred: Dudstone and Kings Barton (Upper Division) County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Source information: HO107/356/12 Registration district: Gloucester Sub-registration district: Kingsholme ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 6 Page: 6 (click to see others on page) Line number: 20 GSU Number: 288770 View Record Name Estimated Birth Year BirthPlace Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Benjamin Barnes abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Sandhurst Gloucestershire View Record Charles Cowles abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Sandhurst Gloucestershire View Record Hanah Shaw abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Sandhurst Gloucestershire View Record Henry Shaw abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Sandhurst Gloucestershire View Record Henry Shaw abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Sandhurst Gloucestershire View Record Mary Shaw abt 1791 Sandhurst Gloucestershire View Record Sarah Shaw abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Sandhurst Gloucestershire Have checked out the image... Unable to read the address - ?something? HAYS Occupation of Benjamin Barnes - Ag Lab Occupation of Henry Shaw - Bricklayer *************************************************************************** BUT.... What about this one...could the name of been misheard?? Name: Charles Cole Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Standish Hundred: Whitstone (Lower Division) County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Source information: HO107/370/16 Registration district: Wheatenhurst Sub-registration district: Haresfield ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 19 Page: 15 (click to see others on page) Line number: 21 GSU Number: 288781 Record Name Estimated Birth Year BirthPlace Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Charles Cole abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Standish Gloucestershire View Record Eliza Cole abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Standish Gloucestershire View Record George Cole abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Standish Gloucestershire View Record George Cole abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Standish Gloucestershire View Record Hannah Cole abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Standish Gloucestershire View Record Harriet Cole abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Standish Gloucestershire View Record Sarah Cole abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Standish Gloucestershire Address - Arlebrook PB Occupation of head - Sawyer Pen x

Hi Pen, Thanks for looking - he will just have to remain unsolved for the present. David

Will take another look at that. What are your thoughts on the COLE family above ??? Px This is the COLE family in the 1851 - no Chares with them - Name: George Cole Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Son Father's name: George Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Standish, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Stonehouse County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Stroud Sub-registration district: Stonehouse ED, institution, or vessel: 2c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 2 Household Members: Name Age Emma Cole 8 George Cole 45 George Cole 10 Samuel Cole 3 Sarah Cole 46 Thomas Cole 6 ****************************************************** The only Charles born c1830 standish, Glouc I can find is this chap - Name: Charles Cowles Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Standish Civil parish: Bulley County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Westbury On Severn Sub-registration district: Newnham ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 41 Household Members: Name Age Charles Cowles 22 Elizabeth Cowles 21 Churcham abt 1830 William Cowles 2 Churcham abt 1849

Jeanette Hi again, I can not bring up those details that you have given me - tried England and Wales. Which index are you getting them froma nd could you just check the spelling and give it to me as is. Cheers Pen x p.s. back shortly, just off to indulge in a hot choccie lol. I know it's early but I have been up ages... Is this the William Cowles that you mentioned, abrr Wm? 1841 ENGLAND Name: Wm Cowles Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Puckle Church Hundred: Puckle Church County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Source information: HO107/363/3 Registration district: Chipping Sodbury Sub-registration district: Chipping Sodbury ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Folio: 5 Page: 5 (click to see others on page) Line number: 15 GSU Number: 288775 View Record Name Estimated Birth Year BirthPlace Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Elizth Cowles abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Puckle Church Gloucestershire View Record Emily Cowles abt 1807 Gloucestershire, England Puckle Church Gloucestershire View Record Emily Juna Cowles abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Puckle Church Gloucestershire View Record Emma Cowles abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Puckle Church Gloucestershire View Record Wm Cowles abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Puckle Church Gloucestershire View Record Wm B Lettice Cowles abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Puckle Church Gloucestershire

Hello Penelope Unless I've missed it I think you may have forgotten me, remember my missing John Beet from the 1901 census.You was going to take a look on an earlier one. Thank you Karen

Hi How was the hot choccie? Could I ask for a 1841,51,61,& 71 census check please. Looking for Phebe CHENERY born Norfolk abt 1795 William CHENERY (husband of above) On the 1881 census she is living in Eye, Suffolk with her grandaughter Anne HINES (1868 Eye), she died in 1882 in Eye. Thank you.

Hi Karen, I think I must off missed you, will go back and take a look. P x

Hi Again No worries just glad I did'nt miss it Thanks Karen

Karen Yes - sorry about that. It's just been really crazy here lately, lol. Do we have any idea's about John's occupation from a childs birth cert? *************************************************************************** 1901 for ref - Gertrude Name: Gertrude Beet Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Granby, Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: Granby Ecclesiastical parish: Granby All Saints Town: Granby County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Bingham Sub-registration district: Bingham ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 35 Household Members: Name Age Gertrude Beet 24 John V Beet 4 Thomas R Beet 2 ****************************************************** From the 1881 to follow up - assuming his also from Notts & -+ 5yrs of Gertrudes age.... ***Have followed them up and now deleted as they married other ladies.

Hi Pen, I'm back to some long distance brickwall demolition....she hopes..... I've a couple of families that will be in Renfrewshire in the 1841 census. The first is the Scott family who I'm hoping were consisting of the following:- Robert Scott, born circa 1800, believed to be a farmer (as per son's death cert). Robert Scott, born circa 1832 poss Bridge of Weir Renfrewshire (well that's what he states on later census and he married in Kilbarchan, just down the road). On his death cert his morhter's name is down as Lilian McTavish....if all 3 are together on the census that'd be great. The next is the Thorburn family (or Thornburn as per IGI extracted entry) probably in the parish of Kilbarchan, Renfrewshire. They should be William Thornburn born circa 1800 Ann Thorburn nee Thom(p)son born circa 1800 and Elizabeth born circa 1834 and she gives her place of birth as Houston, Renfrewshire on later census but she married in Kilbarchan. Any help on either of these would be great and after reading about your Hot Choc, I'm off to have a forage in my cupboards for some, sounds like a grand idea. Bye for now Donna x

Hi again Sorry I don't have any more info. Karen

Hi Pen, If you are having similar rain to us you will not be out there excavating chicken wire..... was it to stop rabbits burrowing out or foxes burrowing in? I am still working for the would be cousin, who isn't, but now I've started etc. There are some glaring errors in her tree so I have been trying to work backwards ignoring what has apparently been found but for the Brooms I will make an exception, in the hope it will allow you to find them in 1851. John Broom and Jemima Fisher (according to me - FreeBMD) get married in 1841 near Stowmarket and start with Angelina 1842 (who I assume dies as there is another in the 50s) then Harry 1844, Rebecca 1845, Anna 1848, William 1850, and on. Please can you see if all this info will enable you to find them in '51. Many thanks, David

Hello Penelope again Well I have followed the Beets from Bingham and realised its not the right John Beet . John Churchill Beet the one aged 2 in Bingham is on the 1901 census with his family in LongEaton. Thats how I knew I had made a mistake. Karen