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Hi Pen, I'm a newbie at this.. here goes.. Can you please look on the 1871, 1891 and 1901 England census for info for William White & Mary White formaly Taylor and their son Charles Henry White ( born 25th Sept 1862) William White was a plasterer and lived at 27 Margaret Street Clerkenwell and then later at Bethnel Green Many Thanks Colin White ****************************** Can you tell me where Charles was born please? The name is so common and I'm struggling to find them with out birthplaces and birth years for parents. Pen x

Tracy cuncliffe ******************************************************* Hi Tracy Have you tried searching for their marriage entry? You will need to think about ordering their marriage cert if you want to confirm any findings. I will have a look on the 1901 census for you. Might be able to help with them both if they are married by then. Pen X ********************** Right, so, married before 1901 census was taken ....... Name: Joshua Archibald E Bayley Year of Registration: 1898 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Nantwich County: Cheshire Volume: 8a Page: 472 (click to see others on page) ************************ 1901 The only possible that I can spot is this one........ Name: Archibald Bayley Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Annie Gender: Male Where born: Crewe, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Coppenhall Monks Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Nantwich Sub-registration district: Crewe ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 51 Household Members: Name Age Annie Bayley 20 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England abt 1881 wife Archibald Bayley 24 Rebecca Walker 11 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England abt 1889 Sister-in-law Thomas Walker 13 Ireland abt 1888 brother in law Address - 101 Albert Street Occupation of head of house - House painter Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3357; Folio: 51; Page: 8. Any thoughts ?? Pen x *********************** *UPDATE I think it's them, lol.... cos this looks him on the 1891 with birthplace as Crewe and you are SOOOOooo lucky - the mother in law ( his gran) is with them !!! 1891 Name: Joshua A E Bayley Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Relation: Son Father's name: Samuel Mother's name: Ruth Gender: Male Where born: Crewe, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Coppenhall Monks Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Crewe County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Nantwich Sub-registration district: Crewe ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Joshua A E Bayley 14 Maria J Bayley 16 Crewe, Cheshire, England daughter abt 1875 Ruth Bayley 54 abt 1837 MacClesfield, Cheshire, England Wife Ruth Bayley 21 abt 1870 Crewe, Cheshire, England Daughter Samuel Bayley 50 abt 1841 Kermincham, Cheshire, England Head Samuel S Bayley 23 abt 1868 Crewe, Cheshire, England Son William E Bayley 19 abt 1872 Crewe, Cheshire, England Son Elizabeth Mottershead 88 abt 1803 Buglawton, Cheshire, England Mother-in-law Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2852; Folio 95; Page 38; GSU roll: 6097962. ************************** 1891 for Mary Ann......... Name: Mary Ann Walker Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1880 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Maraby Gender: Female Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Portsea Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Portsea County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration district: Portsea Island Sub-registration district: Portsea Town ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Walker 6 abt 1885 Ireland Daughter Ellen Walker 9 abt 1882 Jersey, Channel Islands Daughter Maraby Walker 28 abt 1863 Plymouth, Devon, England Wife Mary Ann Walker 11 abt 1880 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Daughte Rebecca Walker 1 abt 1890 Portsea, Hampshire, England Daughter Thomas Walker 41 abt 1850 Woor, Shropshire, England Head Thomas Walker 3 abt 1888 Ireland Son Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 861; Folio 119; Page 6; GSU roll: 6095971. Pen x

Jeanette *************************** 1891 This might be them ............ Name: Elizabeth Maud Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1874 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: James Gender: Female Where born: South Shields, Durham, England Civil parish: Westoe Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Town: South Shields County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: South Shields Sub-registration district: Westoe ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Maud 17 South Shields, Durham, England abt 1874 wife James Maud 22 South Shields, Durham, England abt 1869 head Ann Wilden 16 South Shields, Durham, England abt 1875 niece Mary Wilson 12 South Shields, Durham, England abt 1879 niece Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4154; Folio 104; Page 10; GSU roll: 6099264. Address - 16 Mill Street Will enlarge image and check surname... ************************************************************************** 1881 (it's free on Ancestry and also Familysearch.org) ************************* 1871 a possible for James.... Name: Jame Moad Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relation: Son Father's name: Jane Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: South Shields, Durham, England Civil parish: Westoe Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Town: South Shields County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: South Shields Sub-registration district: Westoe ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 191 Household Members: Name Age Alice Moad 5 Elizabeth Moad 3 Jame Moad 12 Jane Moad 38 Jane Moad 9 John Moad 8 Mary Moad 37 Nora Moad 13 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5027; Folio: 57; Page: 35; GSU roll: 848491. I think the best thing to do, would be to purchase a copy of the marriage cert, gaining the fathers names - View Record Elizabeth Birkett 1891 Jan-Feb-Mar South Shields Durham, Tyne and Wear View Record James Moad 1891 Jan-Feb-Mar South Shields Durham, Tyne and Wear Name: Elizabeth Birkett Year of Registration: 1891 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: South Shields County: Durham, Tyne and Wear Volume: 10a Page: 993 (click to see others on page) ****************************************************

Hi Pen... RE: Hi Colin, have you managed to find them on the 1881. If so please copy and paste the details on here. Cheers Pen x No I have'nt... You can tell I'm a newbie cos I did'nt know there was an 1881 cencus.. but i do now. All the info I supplied was given to me by an Uncle. Cheers Colin

Hi Pen, I'm a newbie at this.. here goes.. Can you please look on the 1871, 1891 and 1901 England census for info for William White & Mary White formaly Taylor and their son Charles Henry White ( born 25th Sept 1862) William White was a plasterer and lived at 27 Margaret Street Clerkenwell and then later at Bethnel Green Many Thanks Colin White ***************************************************** Hi Colin, have you managed to find them on the 1881. If so please copy and paste the details on here. Cheers Pen x

Added by Anne Freestone on 15/12/2006 14:54:08 Hello Pen Again thanks for offering a lookup 1881 census Isabella Starkie b 1845 Cockermouth Cumberland married Joseph Graham no date of birth also Cockermouth (l think) Kind regards Anne ****************************** Do you mean your trying to locate them on the 1881 or that you have them on 1881 and wish to go back further? Please clarify Pen x 1881 is available on the LDS church site Name: Isabella Graham Age: 37 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Joseph Gender: Female Where born: Cockermouth, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Whitehaven County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street address: 1 Smiths Terrace Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Tinplate Workers Wife Registration district: Whitehaven Sub-registration district: Whitehaven ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mary A. Barmer 11 Isabella Graham 37 James Graham 12 John W. Graham 14 Joseph Graham 39 Joseph Graham 2 Mary Ann Graham Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5187; Folio: 59; Page: 29; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342251. *********************** 1871 Name: Isabella Graham Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Joseph Gender: Female Where born: Cockermouth, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Cockermouth Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: Cockermouth County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Registration district: Cockermouth Sub-registration district: Cockermouth ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 91 Household Members: Name Age Isabella Graham 26 abt 1845 Cockermouth, Cumberland, England Wife James Graham 2 abt 1869 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Son John W Graham 5 abt 1866 Cockermouth, Cumberland, England Son Joseph Graham 30 abt 1841 Cockermouth, Cumberland, England Head ******************************************************

Elsie Still struggling with this one, Can I have the witness names from the marriage, that might help Pen x 1881 Name: Mary A. Ferguson Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: David Gender: Female Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Toxteth Park County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 28 Barter St Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Dressmaker Registration district: Toxteth Park Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 62 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Priscilla Cropper Archibald Ferguson 5 David Ferguson 43 Elizabeth S. Ferguson 7 Jane Ferguson 6 John Ferguson 1 Mary A. Ferguson 35 Mary A. Ferguson 4 *********************** 1871 Name: Mary A Coggle Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Female Where born: Nelofield, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Sprowston County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: St Faith Sub-registration district: Sprowston ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 63 Household Members: Name Age Mary A Coggle 25 Robert Coggle 54 Robert M Coggle 16 Sarah Coggle 52 ********************** 1861 Name: Robert M Coggle Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1855 Relation: Son Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Sprowston, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Sprowston Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: St Faiths Sub-registration district: Sprowston ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 90 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Coggle 2 George M Coggle 9 Robert Coggle 44 Swaington, Norfolk, England Robert M Coggle 6 Sprowston, Norfolk, England Sarah Coggle 42 Wymondham, Norfolk, England I think this is the same family found in a previous message, but with no Mary Ann. She may be away working as a servant ? ************************ 1851 Just can NOT see them, lol. Wonder if Robert had been married before ? *********************** 1841 This could be Robert on the 1841 census, Witton is not that far from Sprowston..... Name: Robert Coggle Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1821 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Norfolk, England Civil parish: Witton Hundred: Blofield County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Source information: HO107/753/18 Registration district: Blofield Sub-registration district: Blofield ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Page: 10 (click to see others on page) Line number: 24 GSU Number: 438849 Occupation - Ag Lab ************************ Sorry, but have spent the last hour looking and can not come up with anything else Pen x

Hi Pen, I'm a newbie at this.. here goes.. Can you please look on the 1871, 1891 and 1901 England census for info for William White & Mary White formaly Taylor and their son Charles Henry White ( born 25th Sept 1862) William White was a plasterer and lived at 27 Margaret Street Clerkenwell and then later at Bethnel Green Many Thanks Colin White

HI PEN, ME AGAIN MARY ANN WAS MY GT GRANDMOTHER SHE MARRIED MY GT GRANDFATHER DAVID FERGUSON AUGUST 1872 ST MARYS SPROWSTON. ON ALL CENSUS RECORDS SHE HAS PLACE OF BIRTH AS NORFOLK. ANY USE, DESPERATELY TRYING TO FIND HER FAMILY MANY THANKS ELSIE

Helen Townsend **************************** 1851 Name: William Marshall Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1835 Relation: Son-in-law Gender: Male Where born: Lewisham, Kent, England Civil parish: Lewisham County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Lewisham Sub-registration district: Lewisham Village ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 92 Household Members: Name Age Albert Wynne 7 abt 1844 Lewisham, Kent, England So Elizabeth Wynne 48 abt 1803 Deptford, Kent, England Wife William Wynne 44 abt 1807 Red Lion Sq, Middlesex, England Head Rosina Marshall abt 1832 Lewisham, Kent, England Daughter-in-law Lewisham Kent View Record William Marshall abt 1835 Lewisham, Kent, England Son-in-law Lewisham Kent Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1591; Folio: 294; Page: 21; GSU roll: 174828. Image details - Address - 1 Angel Cottages Occupation of head of house - Fishmonger William is an errand boy **************************** 1861 Name: William T Marshall Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Caroline J Gender: Male Where born: Lewisham, Kent, England Civil parish: Bromley County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Bromley Sub-registration district: Bromley ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 160 Household Members: Name Age Benjamin Lawrence 18 abt 1843 Greenwich, Kent, England Lod Caroline J Marshall 30 abt 1831 London, Middlesex, England Wife Charles S Marshall 17 abt 1844 Lewionan, Kent, England Br Lodger (Lodger Thomas Marshall 8 Mo abt 1860 Bromley, Kent, England Son William T Marshall 27 abt 1834 Lewisham, Kent, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 463; Folio: 88; Page: 26; GSU roll: 542643. Image details - Address - 1 Hollow Bottom Occupation of Head of household - Lab *************************** 1871 Name: Thomas Marshall Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Relation: Son Father's name: William Mother's name: Caroline Gender: Male Where born: Bromley, Kent, England Civil parish: Bromley Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Bromley County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Bromley Sub-registration district: Bromley ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 52 Household Members: Name Age Caroline Marshall 41 abt 1830 Bromley, Kent, England Wife George Marshall 8 months abt 1870 Bromley, Kent, England Son Jemmima Marshall 8 abt 1863 Bromley, Kent, England Daughter Louisa Marshall 4 abt 1867 Bromley, Kent, England Daughter Thomas Marshall 10 abt 1861 Bromley, Kent, England Son William Marshall 38 abt 1833 Southend, Kent, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 873; Folio: 34; Page: 10; GSU roll: 827770. Image details - Address - Hollow Bottom 1 Occupation of head of household - labourer Pen x

Elsie ******** Hi Elsie, have checked the 1861 and the only one I can spot on there is the above one (previous message). Looks like she might be mistranscribed, do you have her on the 71 or 81 giving an exact place of birth? Pen x

pen many thanks robert is listed as mary anns father on her wedding certificate 1872, but i suppose it does not mean he is still living, if you could check 1861 i would be most gratefull. again many thanks elsie

Elsie ****** Hi Elsie I can not spot them at the moment on the 1851, perhaps if you have them on the 1861 you could add their details? Any idea of location/village ? Pen x **There is this one, no father mentioned though, will view image 1851 Name: Mary A Coggle Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Margart Gender: Female Where born: Wymondham, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Wymondham County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: Forehoe Sub-registration district: Costessey ED, institution, or vessel: 11b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 16 Household Members: Name Age George Coggle 10 abt 1841 Wymondham, Norfolk, England Son Joanna Coggle 4 abt 1847 Wymondham, Norfolk, England Daughter John Coggle 7 abt 1844 Wymondham, Norfolk, England Son Margart Coggle 39 abt 1812 Wymondham, Norfolk, England Head Martha Coggle 6 Mo abt 1850 Wymondham, Norfolk, England Mary A Coggle 2 abt 1849 Wymondham, Norfolk, England Daughter Sarah Coggle 13 abt 1838 Wymondham, Norfolk, England Daughter William Coggle 6 abt 1845 Wymondham, Norfolk, England Son Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1817; Folio: 363; Page: 4; GSU roll: 207470 Have checked and Margaret is listed as the head of the household, but, also down as Married. I will see if I can find this family (hopefully with a Robert as head) in the 1861. Pen x ***Update Unfortunatly the head is shown as a John in 1861... Name: Mary Ann Coggle Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Margret Gender: Female Where born: Wymondham, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Wymondham County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: Forehoe Sub-registration district: Wymondham ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 47 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Coggle 6 abt 1855 Wymondham, Norfolk, England Daughter Joanna Coggle 14 abt 1847 Wymondham, Norfolk, England Daughter John Coggle 62 abt 1799 Highalanden On The Sea Head John Coggle 17 abt 1844 Wymondham, Norfolk, England Son Margret Coggle 49 abt 1812 Wymondham, Norfolk, England Wife Mary Ann Coggle 12 abt 1849 Wymondham, Norfolk, England Daughter Mathew Coggle 10 abt 1851 Wymondham, Norfolk, England Daughter Emma Self 2 abt 1859, lodger Wymondham, Norfolk, England

hi pen, could you please look up 1851 mary ann coggle born approx, 1846 - 49 father robert coggle, norfolk. would like to know other family members. many thanks elsie

Added by John Cartwright on 11/12/2006 19:49:58 Hi Penny, Would you please look in 1861, most likely Toxteth Park, Lancs for Robert Whiteside(s) born 1839 in Toxteth Park, Liverpool. and , if you find him, let know what his occupation is and where he is staying. Thanks in advance John ************************************************** Closest match I can find at the mo is this chap on the 1861. Is there any other info that you can give me which will help? Pen x Name: Robert Whiteside Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation: Son Father's name: William Gender: Male Where born: Bury, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Bury Town: Bury County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Bury Sub-registration district: South Bury ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 45 Household Members: Name Age Alice Whiteside 23 Ann Whiteside 16 Elisabeth Whiteside 7 Mo Jonathan Whiteside 9 Mary Whiteside 7 Robert Whiteside 18 William Whiteside 45 William Whiteside 12

Hi Pen Could I ask for another look up please its William Walker born Stockport c1821, wife Mary A also c1821, if possible on the 1851 census, would be living in Stockport. Thank you Jackie **************************************************** Hi Jackie Closest matches found - 1851 Name: William Walker Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1821 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Rosanna Gender: Male Where born: Stockport, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Stockport Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Stockport Sub-registration district: Stockport ED, institution, or vessel: 3e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 21 Household Members: Name Age Rosanna Walker 28 abt 1823 Ireland Wife William Walker 30 abt 1821 Stockport, Cheshire, England Head Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2156; Folio: 253; Page: 5; GSU roll: 87132-87133. Image details - Address - 3 Yard Edward Street Occupation of head of house - Shoe maker employing 1 man ********************** or the closest match with a wife named Mary - 1851 Name: William Walker Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1813 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary A Gender: Male Where born: Stockport, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Heaton Norris County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Stockport Sub-registration district: Heaton Norris ED, institution, or vessel: 2k Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 175 Household Members: Name Age Elizl Walker 13 abt 1838 Stockport, Cheshire, England Daughter Mary A Walker 40 abt 1811 Stockport, Cheshire, England Wife Mary J Walker 3 abt 1848 Heaton Norris, Lancashire, England Daughter Saml Walker 14 abt 1837 Stockport, Cheshire, England Son Sarah Walker 16 abt 1835 Stockport, Cheshire, England Daughter Thos Walker 8 abt 1843 Stockport, Cheshire, England Son William Walker 38 abt 1813 Stockport, Cheshire, England Head Wm Walker 1 abt 1850 Heaton Norris, Lancashire, England Son Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2155; Folio: 360; Page: 44; GSU roll: 87130-87131. Image details - Address - 6 Travis Street Occupation of head - Tailor Pen x

Hi Penelope Can you help me with this one please. I know I found her before (ages ago) but didn't take a note at the time....stupid or what!! Lily Bennett Barnes b 1898 Northampton If my memory is right she was living with her aunt and uncle in Northampton. I've taken over 2 hours searching, but still no joy Many Thanks Elly *************************************************** Elly, Sorry - unable to spot her tonite, will have another go at it tommorow morning.Must be hiding somewhere, rather well. Pen x Name: Lily Bennett Barnes Year of Registration: 1899 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar DISTRICT: Northampton (1837-1924) County: Northamptonshire Volume: 3b Page: 95 (click to see others on page) ****UPDATE**** I bet this is her ? 1901 Name: Lily B Darnes Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1899 Relation: Niece Gender: Female Where born: Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: All Saints Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: Northampton County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Registration district: Northampton Sub-registration district: All Saints ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 96 Household Members: Name Age George Darnes 46 abt 1855 Northamptonshire, England Head George Darnes 14 abt 1887 Northamptonshire, England Son Lily B Darnes 2 abt 1899 Northamptonshire, England Niece Louisa Darnes 18 abt 1883 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Mary A Darnes 47 abt 1854 Northamptonshire, England Wife Nellie Darnes 12 abt 1889 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Rose Darnes 9 abt 1892 Northamptonshire, England Daughter Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1426; Folio: 87; Page: 17. Hope it's her Pen x

Hi Penny, Would you please look in 1861, most likely Toxteth Park, Lancs for Robert Whiteside(s) born 1839 in Toxteth Park, Liverpool. and , if you find him, let know what his occupation is and where he is staying. Thanks in advance John

Hi Penelope Can you help me with this one please. I know I found her before (ages ago) but didn't take a note at the time....stupid or what!! Lily Bennett Barnes b 1898 Northampton If my memory is right she was living with her aunt and uncle in Northampton. I've taken over 2 hours searching, but still no joy Many Thanks Elly

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