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Hi Pen, thanks for your reply. John Clark was born in Clerkenwell. Had the middle name 'Royal' on his d/c, the spelling of this varies slightly on m/c & on later generations. I'm guessing his father had the same name, at least the same initial. I'm hoping for some Scottish link, as there was a famous 18thC instrument maker called John Clark, from Edinburgh.

Helen Catchpole ******************** Hi 1881 for my ref Name: William Poole Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary A. Gender: Male Where born: Burnham, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Upton Cum Chalvey County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address: 6 New Cottages Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Brickmaker Registration district: Eton Sub-registration district: Eton ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mary A. Poole 32 abt 1849 Slough, Buckinghamshire, England Wife William Poole 36 William T. Poole 8 abt 1873 Slough, Buckinghamshire, England Son ******************************** 1891 ???????????? can't spot them even with the wife and sons details...... ******************************** 1901 ???????????? ******************************* will try for the 1871 ....... but Mary gives a completly diff birthplace, lol.. one more to try on the later census in a mo. Name: William Poole Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Burnham, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Langley Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Eton Sub-registration district: Iver ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Mary Poole 23 West Drayton, Middlesex, England William Poole 26 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1399; Folio: 64; Page: 3; GSU roll: 828504. ****************************** 1891 Name: Mary Ann Poole Age: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: William Gender: Female Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Langley County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Eton Sub-registration district: Iver ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mary Ann Poole 43 William Poole 46 Buckinghamshire, England William Thomas Poole 18 Buckinghamshire, England Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1133; Folio 150; Page 28; GSU roll: 6096243 ****************************** Where does the link to Easrtbourne come from please? I have found a death on the BMD - its Sub Dist of Eton - matches the 1871 census details - Name: William Poole Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Year of Registration: 1896 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 52 District: Eton County: Buckinghamshire Volume: 3a Page: 385 (click to see others on page) ******************** 1901 Name: Mary A Poole Age: 53 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Hillingdon, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Slough Ecclesiastical parish: Upton St Mary County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Eton Sub-registration district: Eton ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 155 Household Members: Name Age William J Higgs 30 Arthur E Knibb 23 Mary A Poole 53 Arthur J G Stiles 19 Mary A Tiner 29 All the men are boarders and Mary A Tiner is a niece Hillingdon, Middlesex, England abt 1872 and Mary Ann is a widow - have you taken a wrong turn somewhere ? Pen x

Hi Penny, Just a few lines to say thanks for all you help you have offered during the last year. Merry Christmas. linda

Helen Catchpole ********************** Hi Helen, The 1881 is available free on familysearch.org (LDS church site) If you can find them on that and post your findings that would be great, I will then have more info on them to search with. Cheers Pen x Will be back in about an hour

Added by Katy Christmasmouse on 21/12/2006 09:51:50 Hello If you have the time would you look for George Davi(e)s Sparks born 1868 in Marylebone London. He worked as a sponge warehouseman . His parents were Elizabeth and George but if you could find him in 1901 it would be great. I think he was in London, pretty definite. Thank you. Kate *********************************************************************** 1901 Hi, the only one I can see is this chap... Name: George Sparks Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Relation: Prisoner Gender: Male Where born: Marylebone, London, England Civil parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Lower Holloway ED, institution, or vessel: His Majestys Prison Pentonville Occupation down as Gen Lab Pen x

Added by Kevin Clark on 21/12/2006 01:25:03 Hi Pen, Can you please try to find my ggf John Clark (born late 1845) as a youngster in the 1851/61 censuses. Believed to be living with parents and younger brother Richard and possibly other siblings in the Clerkenwell area of London, which is between Islington & the City. An optician in later life, he may have followed in father's footsteps. If successful, please also try to find his father in 1841. Many thanks, Kev ************************************ Any idea of his birthplace in 1845 and Fathers name? Pen x

Hello If you have the time would you look for George Davi(e)s Sparks born 1868 in Marylebone London. He worked as a sponge warehouseman . His parents were Elizabeth and George but if you could find him in 1901 it would be great. I think he was in London, pretty definite. Thank you. Kate

Hi Pen Thanks you have the right family Julie

Added by Julie Potter on 20/12/2006 20:33:53 Hi Pen A kind offer, Could you please look up Richard Baylis and his wife Helah /Hela (nee Thomas). On the 1901 census. They married in 1895 and there first child richard was born the same year so should be on the census with them. Any help welcome Best wishes Julie **************************************************** 1901 census Hi you have not mentioned any birth years for the parents or birthplaces. You have also left out the birthplace of Richard Baylis 1895, lol - could this be him with his grandparents ? - Name: Richard Baylis Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1895 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Kensington, London, England Civil parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement Notting Dale County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 38 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 228 Household Members: Name Age George Baylis 18 abt 1883 Kensington, London, England Son Jack Baylis 15 abt 1886 Kensington, London, England Son Richard Baylis 47 abt 1854 Newcastle Upon Tyne Head Richard Baylis 6 abt 1895 Kensington, London, England Grandson Susan Baylis 46 abt 1855 Kensington, London, England Wife Susan Baylis 12 abt 1889 Kensington, London, England Daughter Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 25; Folio: 20; Page: 31. Address - 210 *looks like WALMEN Road Occupation of head of household - Bricklayer ************************************************ Unable to spot the parents on 1901... ************************************************ This looks like the family on the 1891 with Richard (and his details) ........ 1891 Name: Susan Baylis Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Richard Mother's name: Susan Gender: Female Where born: Notting Hill, London, England Civil parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 32a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charlotte Baylis 11 abt 1880 Notting Hill, London, England Daughter Eliza Baylis 14 abt 1877 Notting Hill, London, England Daughter George Baylis 8 abt 1883 Notting Hill, London, England Son John Baylis 5 abt 1886 Notting Hill, London, England Son Richard Baylis 36 abt 1855 Lambeth, London, England Head Richard Baylis 18 abt 1873 Notting Hill, London, England Son Susan Baylis 37 abt 1854 Notting Hill, London, England Wif Susan Baylis 3 abt 1888 Notting Hill, London, England Daught Thomas Baylis 15 abt 1876 Notting Hill, London, England Son Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 23; Folio 40; Page 4; GSU roll: 6095133. Address - 210 Walmer Road Occupation of head of household - Gen Lab Your Richard - Car Van Guard ***************************************** Now I have his birth details I will try the 1901 again for him...... Sorry, still no luck with him Pen x

Hi Pen, Can you please try to find my ggf John Clark (born late 1845) as a youngster in the 1851/61 censuses. Believed to be living with parents and younger brother Richard and possibly other siblings in the Clerkenwell area of London, which is between Islington & the City. An optician in later life, he may have followed in father's footsteps. If successful, please also try to find his father in 1841. Many thanks, Kev

Hi Pen A kind offer, Could you please look up Richard Baylis and his wife Helah /Hela (nee Thomas). On the 1901 census. They married in 1895 and there first child richard was born the same year so should be on the census with them. Any help welcome Best wishes Julie

Sandra Message 2 of 2 *********** Found this family on the 1851, think it might be yours... 1851 Name: Robert Jno Rider Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Son Father's name: Robert Jno Mother's name: Elizabeth BT Gender: Male Where born: Newington, Surrey, England Civil parish: Bermondsey Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Bermondsey Sub-registration district: St James ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Rider 8 Elizabeth BT Rider 28 Isabella Harriett Rider 5 Mo Mary Ann Rider 3 Robert Jno Rider 28 Robert Jno Rider 5 Sarah Ann Rider 7 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1560; Folio: 202; Page: 3; GSU roll: 174793 The image does however read Rider, BUT, it might of been miscopied when the info was copied into the enumeration books after the census was taken in 1851. The address is 5 Marigold Street Robert John Rider has the occupation of Engineer to a machinist so the Robert John matches the IGI info and the Elizabeth Bt - could be for Burnett. Isabella is down as 5 months ****************************** will try and locate on the 1861 ...... This looks like them ... will view the image Name: Isabella Rider Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England Civil parish: Bermondsey Ecclesiastical parish: St Pancras County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Bermondsey Sub-registration district: St James ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 215 Household Members: Name Age James Palmer 17 John Palmer 22 Sarah Palmer 45 All lodgers Sarah Palmer 8 Thomas Palmer 5 Elizabeth Rider 35 abt 1826 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Head Elizabeth Rider 17 abt 1844 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter Harriet Rider 5 abt 1856 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Daughter *** This looks like the one I found the BMD for, You must of mixed up the birth dates Isabella Rider 10 abt 1851 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter John Rider 3 abt 1858 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Son Mary A Rider 13 abt 1848 Margton, Surrey, England Daughter Phillis Rider 7 abt 1854 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter Robert J Rider 14 abt 1847 Margton, Surrey, England Son Sarah A Rider 16 abt 1845 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Daughter Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 320; Folio: 22; Page: 37; GSU roll: 542614. Address - 12 Norfolk Place **Image does read RULER Elizabeth the head is down as MAR - married *************************** 1871 can not spot them... this looks like the mother might of remarried View Record Mary Ann Hollands 1862 Oct-Nov-Dec Newington London, Surrey View Record John Humphrey Palmer 1862 Oct-Nov-Dec Newington London, Surrey View Record Elizabeth Burnett Ruler 1862 Oct-Nov-Dec Newington London, Surrey I think it's the mother and not the daughter, because this looks like the daughters DEATH - Death on BMD Name: Elizabeth Burnett Ruler Estimated birth year: abt 1842 Year of Registration: 1880 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun Age at Death: 38 District: Whitechapel County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 223 (click to see others on page) This looks like her birth on BMD Name: Elizabeth Barnett Ruler Year of Registration: 1842 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Bermondsey (1837-69) County: London, Surrey Volume: 4 Page: 9 (click to see others on page) ****************************************************** 1871 census - think this is them..... Name: John H Palmer Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Kent, Lambeth, Surrey, England Civil parish: Bermondsey Ecclesiastical parish: St james County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 76 Household Members: Name Age Harris Buler 15 daughter Rotherhithe, Surrey, England abt 1856 Isabel Buler 19 daughter Bermondsey, Surrey, England abt 1852 John Buler 13 Son-in-law Rotherhithe, Surrey, England abt 1858 Phebe Buler 17 Daughter Rotherhithe, Surrey, England abt 1854 Elizabeth Palmer 46 wife Kent, Lambeth, Surrey, England abt 1825 John H Palmer 32 head Kent, Lambeth, Surrey, England abt 1839 Thomas Palmer 7 son London Middx about 1864 Address - 49 Church Street/head occ - cooper - name is RULER Pen X

Hi Penelope Please could you look up census info on Isabella Harriet Ruler born 7 Dec 1855 Bermondsey according to familysearch.org. She was daughter of Robert Ruler 1823c Bermondsey and Elizabeth Moss 1820 Rotherhithe. I know she had a sister Elizabeth Burnett Ruler born 14/8/1842 Bermondsey. Thanks Sandra ************************************ Hi again Sandra, I have found her birth entry ( I think ?) on the BMD, I could not spot her, had to view the actual images, but think this must be her - Harriet Moss Ruler Rotherhithe 1d 504 March quarter 1856 I will try looking for a Harriet ........... real struggle this one... Have found a marriage for the birth I have found of Harriet Moss Ruler - Name: Harriet Moss Ruler Year of Registration: 1876 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: St Olave Southwark (1837-1901) County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 395 (click to see others on page) to one of these grooms - View Record John Allen 1876 Oct-Nov-Dec St Olave Southwark (1837-1901) London, Surrey View Record Charlotte Chater 1876 Oct-Nov-Dec St Olave Southwark (1837-1901) London, Surrey View Record Harriet Moss Ruler 1876 Oct-Nov-Dec St Olave Southwark (1837-1901) London, Surrey View Record William Walford 1876 Oct-Nov-Dec St Olave Southwark (1837-1901) London, Surrey ***************************************************** Any thoughts ?? I'm wondering what's going on, as the familysearch site gives this info , with a birthyear of 1850 not 1854 as your message ? ISABELLA HARRIET RULER Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 14 OCT 1850 St James, Bermondsey, Surrey, England Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: ROBERT JOHN RULER Family Mother: ELIZABETH BURNETT MOSS Pen x Please see my second message further down ....

Patricia Taylor ********************* 2nd attempt 1881 for my ref - Name: Alice Webb Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: James Gender: Female Where born: Kingston, Kent, England Civil parish: Kensington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 3 Buckingham Mews Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Dyer Wife Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 40c Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Webb 30 Alice Webb 5 Charles Webb 3 Fred Webb 14 Croydon, Surrey, England George Webb 9 Harry Webb 1 James Webb 33 Thomas Webb 12 Croydon, Surrey, England ************************* 1871 Name: Alice Webb Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: James Gender: Female Where born: Kingston, Kent, England Civil parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 36a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 123 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Alexander 27 abt 1844 Chiselhurst, Kent, England Brother-in-law Samuel Cornwall 29 abt 1842 Brighton, Sussex, England Boarder Alice Webb 22 abt 1849 Kingston, Kent, England Wife Frederick Webb 4 abt 1867 Croydon, Surrey, England Son James Webb 24 abt 1847 Paddington, Middlesex, England Head Thomas Webb 2 abt 1869 Croydon, Surrey, England Son Also on the same census page are this family - might be a family connection .... Frances Webb abt 1811 Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England Wife John Webb abt 1806 Hertfordshire, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 44; Folio: 57; Page: 19; GSU roll: 824567. *************************************** 1861 unable to locate her on the 1861 Pen x

Jeanette Hi, That is rather a large list of look ups, I will try my best and then you might have to ask someone else offering look ups to follow through on the ones I have missed. Pen x

Added by Sandra Watts on 19/12/2006 17:05:55 Hi Penelope Please could you look up census info on Isabella Harriet Ruler born 7 Dec 1855 Bermondsey according to familysearch.org. She was daughter of Robert Ruler 1823c Bermondsey and Elizabeth Moss 1820 Rotherhithe. I know she had a sister Elizabeth Burnett Ruler born 14/8/1842 Bermondsey. Thanks Sandra *********************************************** Sorry struggling to find them..will try and come back to this later Pen x

Jeanette ************* 1891 for Harriett Travis - a possibe - the only way to be 100% is to get the birthcert for Harriet Name: Harriet Travis Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1886 Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Annie Gender: Male Where born: Firbeck, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Firbeck Ecclesiastical parish: Firbeck Town: Firbeck County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Worksop Sub-registration district: Carlton ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Annie Travis 34 abt 1857 Westow, Yorkshire, England Wife Annie Travis 6 abt 1885 Firbeck, Yorkshire, England Daughter George Travis 9 abt 1882 Bossington, Yorkshire, England Son Harriet Travis 5 abt 1886 Firbeck, Yorkshire, England Son James Travis 2 abt 1889 Firbeck, Yorkshire, England Son Mary Travis 11 abt 1880 Bossington, Yorkshire, England Daughter Thomas Travis 33 abt 1858 Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2645; Folio 78; Page 5; GSU roll: 6097755 Hrriet is down on the image as a daughter ***************************** ***PLEASE confirm that this is them on the 1901 census, thankx Name: Henry Hazlehurst Age: 57 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Carlton IN Lindrick, Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: Carlton IN Lindrick Ecclesiastical parish: Carlton in Lindrick St John the Evangelist Town: Carlton IN Lindrick County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Worksop Sub-registration district: Carlton ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 172 Household Members: Name Age Ernest Hazlehurst 15 Harry Hazlehurst 8 Henry Hazlehurst 57 Sarah Hazlehurst 57 *************************** If it is them - 1851 for Sarah and her family Name: Sarah Costall Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Lucey Gender: Female Where born: Gelston, Lincolnshire, England Civil parish: Hough On The Hill County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration district: Grantham Sub-registration district: Grantham ED, institution, or vessel: 15b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 46 Household Members: Name Age Charles Costall 11 abt 1840 Hough, Lincolnshire, England Son George Costall 9 abt 1842 Hough, Lincolnshire, England Son Lucey Costall 31 abt 1820 Welby, Lincolnshire, England Wife Robart Costall 3 abt 1848 Gelston, Lincolnshire, England Son Sarah Costall 5 abt 1846 Gelston, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Thomas Costall 7 abt 1844 Hough, Lincolnshire, England Son William Costall 35 abt 1816 Hough, Lincolnshire, England Head William Costall 9 Mo abt 1850 Gelston, Lincolnshire, England Son Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2103; Folio: 528; Page: 11; GSU roll: 87732.

Added by Patricia Taylor on 18/12/2006 18:06:02 hi penelope many thanks for the offer.i am trying to help a friend in canada what i have is alice alexander married 1865 kingston, middlesex to james john webb i have them in 1881, but by 1891 he was a widow would you please find her in 61, and 71 many thanks patricia -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, You have forgotten to supply me with their birthplaces and years, so that I can find them on the 1881 and confirm on the 71 and 61. Please can you post the 1881 details Pen x *** Is this them in the 1881 census Name: Alice Webb Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: James Gender: Female Where born: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Rotherhithe County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 7 Silwood St Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe ED, institution, or vessel: 17a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Webb 42 Alice Webb 12 Anne Webb 16 James Webb 42 John Webb 10 Susan Webb 18 William Webb 2

Hi Penelope Please could you look up census info on Isabella Harriet Ruler born 7 Dec 1855 Bermondsey according to familysearch.org. She was daughter of Robert Ruler 1823c Bermondsey and Elizabeth Moss 1820 Rotherhithe. I know she had a sister Elizabeth Burnett Ruler born 14/8/1842 Bermondsey. Thanks Sandra

Hi Can you look on 1901 census for Mary Ellen Murphy Liverpool England, Born 1895/6 Father Joseph Murphy (Carpenter) Thanks very much Vicky **************************************************** Do you have any other info - there is a possible below, but, the father is not in the house when the census was taken. 1901 Name: Mary Ellen Murphy Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1896 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Toxteth Ecclesiastical parish: St Cleopas County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Toxteth Park Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 75 Household Members: Name Age Elizth Dutton 48 Ermond Murphy 15 Margt Murphy 13 Mary Murphy 42 Mary Ellen Murphy 5