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Hi Pen, I don't know whether it was me not looking at the right time but I had the impression you had been away - scratching piggies backs etc? Hope Christmas has been good for you and your menagerie. I have a new problem in one Harry Geldard Dixon c.1889 but the Dixon is his adopted name and I don't know the date of his adoption. Guessing his original surname could have been Geldard, I found a Harry Marsden Geldard born Hunslet Mar Q 1888. Please could you find him in 1891 as I cannot see him in 1901. Many thanks, David

Anna Taylor *************** 1901 census Name: Maud Hall Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1896 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Joseph Mother's name: Adelaide Gender: Female Where born: Kettering, Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Kettering Ecclesiastical parish: Kettering St Peter and St Paul with St Andrew and St Mary County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Kettering Sub-registration district: Kettering ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 42 Household Members: Name Age Adelaide Hall 27 abt 1874 Kettering, Northamptonshire, England Wife Frederick Hall 8 abt 1893 Kettering, Northamptonshire, England Son Henry Hall 6 abt 1895 Kettering, Northamptonshire, England Son Jessie Hall 3 abt 1898 Kettering, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Joseph Hall 36 abt 1865 Birmingham Head Maud Hall 5 abt 1896 Kettering, Northamptonshire, England Daughter Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1448; Folio: 7; Page: 6. Pen x

Hi Pen, Seasons greetings to you! Could you please look up in the 1901 Maud A Hall born 1896 in Kettering Northants? I'm sorry, but that is all the info I have. Thanks very much. Anna

2nd message Louise from BMD Name: Bertie Henry Woolgrove Year of Registration: 1892 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: West Bromwich County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire Volume: 6b Page: 79_ (click to see others on page) Sorry - can not spot him on the 1901 census Any idea's for parents names ?? Pen x

Added by Louise Halsall on 24/12/2006 12:33:12 hi thanks for the offer can you look up a leonard charles rowe born 1900 in aston dont know parents name thanks very much can yu also do a look up for a bertie henry woolgrove born 1892 ? herbrt born west bromich thanks happy christmas ************************** 1901 Name: Leonard F Rowe Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1900 Relation: Son Father's name: Frederick C Mother's name: Emily Gender: Male Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Aston Manor Ecclesiastical parish: Lozells St Paul County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Aston Manor ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 90 Household Members: Name Age Clarissa M Rowe 4 abt 1897 Erdington, Warwickshire, England Daughter Emily Rowe 36 abt 1865 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Frederick C Rowe 37 abt 1864 Aston, Warwickshire, England Head Gladys E Rowe 10 abt 1891 Aston, Warwickshire, England Daughter Leonard F Rowe 1 abt 1900 Aston, Warwickshire, England Son Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2884; Folio: 12; Page: 15. Have viewed the image - Address - 67 High Street Occupation of head of household - Fireman Merry Christmas Pen x

Hi Pen, Sorry for delay in replying. Being unable to find my G'parents wedding date etc is the root of my brickwall, so thought of adopting different track to narrow down the search for the wedding date ? Hope you and all GR's have a merry christmas and a happy new year. Best wishes to all Merv

Rebekah Markham *********************** Hi - the only one I can see with that name is this one, but, the age is a bit out - will view the image just to be sure.... 1841 Name: Maryanne Stirk Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Leeds Town Hundred: Leeds Borough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Source information: HO107/1348/1 Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: Leeds West ED, institution, or vessel: 34 Folio: 10 Page: 12 (click to see others on page) Line number: 11 GSU Number: 464291 View Record Samuel Claphan abt 1806 Yorkshire, England Leeds Town Yorkshire View Record Maryanne Nowell abt 1826 Yorkshire, England Leeds Town Yorkshire View Record Francis Perpet abt 1821 Yorkshire, England Leeds Town Yorkshire View Record Maryanne Stirk abt 1831 Yorkshire, England Leeds Town Yorkshire Image does read 10 Address Brunswick Terrace Occupation F S (female servant) Best wishes and have a good Christmas Pen x

Hi Penelope thanks for the offer. I have the following family living at Angel Lanes Aston under Lyne in 1861. James Shaw 55 watchman Elizabeth Shaw 54 Mary Shaw 27 frame tenter, cotton Sarah Shaw 25 Robert Shaw 16 They were living next door to James (21) and Mary Shaw who I think was their son. (I know from James and Mary's marriage cert that his father was also James). All of the above are listed as born in Oldham. If you could find any of them in 1841 or 51 I would be very grateful. Thanks again Kate

If you have a min, could you do a 1841 lookup on Mary Ann Stirk of Yorkshire please? I dont know her parents names, but she may have been born in Leeds. She was born 1827/1828. Thankyou.

Hi Penelope, Just found a Thomas Milne Sim. Father James Sim and Mother Ann Henderson born at Peterhead, Aberdeen 1860 died 1862. Does this help any thought he would be on 1861 census with brother James. I'm still looking. If I find anything else I'll let you know. Thanks Brenda.

Hi Penelope, This could quite possibly be them. They have proven to be the impossible couple. I have been on Scotlands People and IGI but there is no marriage to be found. The son I have is Edward born 1872. His Marriage cert shows his parents as James Sim - Ann Henderson. His birth cert shows the same but includes the marriage place and date. As you say there are loads of James Sim in Aberdeen I know I've been though quite a lot looking for them. James the son was born in Peterhead, Aberdeen. They are going to be my mystery family. Lol. I'll get them one day. Very grateful to you for trying anyway. Thanks Brenda.

Brenda Jones **************** Sorry - unable to spot them on the 1861 for Scotland, also checked England - just incase, but nothing. There are loads of Sim' in Old Machar for the 1861 can not ind your family though, very frustrating. Looking at the 1851 there is this - but without the marriage cert... Name: Ann Henderson Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relationship: Daughter Father's name: James Mother's name: Margaret Gender: Female Where born: Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire Parish Number: 168B Civil parish: Old Machar County: Aberdeenshire Address: Skene Road Occupation: Scholar ED: 31 Page: 19 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 45 Line: 5 Roll: CSSCT1851_40 Household Members: Name Age Ann Henderson 13 Elizabeth Henderson 3 James Henderson 51 Jean Henderson 8 Margaret Henderson 43 Margaret Henderson 11 Mary Henderson 5 and Name: James Sim Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Relationship: Son Father's name: James Mother's name: Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Aberdeen, Aberdeensh Parish Number: 168A Civil parish: Aberdeen St Clements County: Aberdeenshire Address: 10 Canal Terrace Occupation: Scholar ED: 3A Page: 4 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 430 Line: 13 Roll: CSSCT1851_37 Household Members: Name Age Jean Bruce 15 George Sim 8 James Sim 58 James Sim 14 John Sim 6 Margaret Sim 44 Margaret Sim 4 Pen x Will try and come back to this later

Hi Penelope, Can you look for a James Sim born 1836c and Ann born 1838c this was from 1881 census. On your 1861 census. Was told they married in 1856 14th June Longside, although I have yet to find their marriage certificate and ann's surname was Henderson. They had one son James born 1857 in Aberdeen. Who I found on the 1881 census there was several other children but they are born from 1867 onwards all at Aberdeen, there is a large gap in the childrens ages so assume there are more. James was a lucky find to be living with them at 24 years old. Their address was 35, Wellington Street, Old Machar, Aberdeen in 1881. James's occupation was listed as Labr ( at quarry) but have been told that he was also a labourer at Kittybrewster station. The son Jame's occupation was listed as stacker railway. Sorry this is all I have any help appreciated. Thanks Brenda.

Thanks Pen. While it would be interesting I have meanwhile found him on the separate 1901, the one that isn't ancestry so I'll have to follow that up. Ta for trying and have a good Christmas.

That's brilliant, Pen. With a name as common as muck as mine in an area which bred lots of Clarks, the family must have been quite difficult to find. Were all the family born in that area, or just the children? It would appear that John Clark had been previously married before 1841, (as it was common practice in inner London to name eldest son/daughter after the parents). It's also possible that he'd been widowed again before 1861, as FreeBMD records the death of several Mary Anns in that area in the 1850s. Merry Xmas and many thanks for your help over the year. Kev

Hi Penelope Thank you very much for all the info on Ruler family. I have printed it and trying to put all on my family tree. I know that there were steam train engineers in family so the occupation of engineer of Robert John Ruler on 1851 census fits in. As you say the name must be Ruler not Rider. Thanks Sandra

Brilliant! Thank you, Pen! And Merry Christmas! Cheers Cherilyn

Cherilyn ********** 1891 census Name: Ada Tindal Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1890 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Michael Gender: Female Where born: Stockton, Durham, England Civil parish: Stockton On Tees Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Stockton County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Stockton Sub-registration district: Stockton ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Frankland 28 Hurst, Yorkshire, England lodger abt 1863 Thomas Speight 28 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England abt 1863 lodger Ada Tindal 1 Annie Tindal 25 abt 1866 Arkengarthdale, Yorkshire, England Wife Charlotte Tindal 3 abt 1888 Stockton, Durham, England Daughter Elizabeth M Tindal 5 abt 1886 Stockton, Durham, England Daughter Harriet Tindal 28 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England wife abt 1863 Herbert Tindal 1 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England abt 1890 son Mary E Tindal 5/12 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England daughter abt 1890 Michael Tindal 38 abt 1853 Stockton, Durham, England Hea Richard Tindal 4 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England abt 1887 son Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4048; Folio 154; Page 32; ***PLEASE NOTE that the transcriber as put Harriet Tindal, according to the actual image she is Harriet Speight, (the lodgers wife) Elizabeth Charlotte and Ada are the ONLY Tindal children, the rest should read Speight !!!! Merry Christmas Pen x

Hi Penelope (Love the name by the way, I loved that show) ;-) Can you please look in the 1891 census for County Durham for Ada TINDALL, b 1889 in Stockton. Looking for her parents' names. Thank you! Cherilyn

Kevin Clark ************* Hi, I have managed to find this family on the 1851 census - which I believe to be yours - I have viewed the image and the occupation of the Head of household is a Optical glass grinder. Address - 39 St Helena Place Name: John Clark Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Son Father's name: John Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Civil parish: Clerkenwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip Town: London County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Clerkenwell Sub-registration district: Amwell ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 217 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Clark 12 John Clark 45 Red St, London, England John Clark 5 Mary Clark 35 Mary Clark 7 Matilda Clark 9 Richard Clark 3 ************************************************ Can not spot them on the 1861 at the mo ...going for a cuppa x ****UPDATE