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Added by Katy .. on 02/01/2007 13:17:24 Please could you find Elizabeth Steele born c1811 Fakenham Norfolk and husband John who I think were in Kent in 1861. I haven't found them before or after but i am told they are there. Thank you *************************************************** 1861 Name: Elizabeth Steele Age: 53 Estimated birth year: abt 1808 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Fakenham, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Dersingham County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: Docking Sub-registration district: Snettisham ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 141 Household Members: Name Age John Forster 25 Chigworth, Essex, England lodger Elizabeth Steele 53 abt 1808 Fakenham, Norfolk, England Head Ellen Steele 14 abt 1847 Heacham, Norfolk, England Daughter Fredrick Steele 10 abt 1851 Heacham, Norfolk, England son Kezia Steele 12 abt 1849 Heacham, Norfolk, England daughter Walter Steele 7 abt 1854 Heacham, Norfolk, England son Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1249; Folio: 92; Page: 23; GSU roll: 542783. A big ink smudge over marital staus of Elizabeth Steele - It does look like widow, clearly a w at the end of it !! Address - Snettisham Road ***************************** It might help to have the 1851 ..... Name: Elizabeth Steele Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1809 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: John Gender: Female Where born: Fakenham, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Heacham County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: Docking Sub-registration district: Burnham ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 37 Household Members: Name Age Anne M Steele 8 abt 1843 Fakenham, Norfolk, England Daughter David D Steele 5 abt 1846 Fakenham, Norfolk, England Son Eliza Steele 14 abt 1837 Fakenham, Norfolk, England Daughter Elizabeth Steele 42 abt 1809 Fakenham, Norfolk, England Wife Elizabeth Steele 16 abt 1835 Fakenham, Norfolk, England Daughter Ellen Phebe Steele 4 abt 1847 Heacham, Norfolk, England Daughter Frederick Steele 2 Mo abt 1851 Heacham, Norfolk, England Son John Steele 48 abt 1803 Wells, Norfolk, England Head John D Steele 10 abt 1841 Fakenham, Norfolk, England Son Keriah Steele 2 abt 1849 Heacham, Norfolk, England Daughter William Steele 18 abt 1833 Fakenham, Norfolk, England Son Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1827; Folio: 279; Page: 12; GSU roll: 207482. No Address given Occupation of John and his son William - Bricklayer Pen x

Please could you find Elizabeth Steele born c1811 Fakenham Norfolk and husband John who I think were in Kent in 1861. I haven't found them before or after but i am told they are there. Thank you

Her name was Vere Oswald and she was born in Lochgelly, Fife, Scotland in 1825 to Alexander Oswald and Mary black, she married in Kirkcaldy in 1851 Andrew Turnbull, and died in Edinburgh 1890. And also my G G G Grandfather Andrew turnbull (son of Vere and Andrew), he was born in Kirkcaldy c1854, sometime around the 1870's he moved down to England and settled around the East End where he married Elizabeth Lindsay in 1875 Poplar. He was a Seaman and i have found no info on him as in the 1881 census, elizabeth is at home alone with Elizabeth 5, Catherine 3, their is no info for him on the 1891 census either as Elizabeth is at home with, Elizabeth, Catherine(Kate), Margaret, Jane, Annie, May and Andrew.... I am assuming he is most likely away at sea. Debbie **************************************************** Can not find Vere Oswald on the 1841 1851 though - Note the stepdaughter, child of Vere's.. Name: Vere Turnbull Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name: Andw Father's name: James Gender: Female Where born: Auchterderran, Fife Parish Number: 442 Civil parish: Kirkcaldy County: Fife Address: High Street Occupation: Joiner Journmeyman *** They must mean wife of a ... ED: 9 Page: 4 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 17 Line: 14 Roll: CSSCT1851_91 Household Members: Name Age Jane Millar 4 stepdaughter abt 1847 Kirkaldy, Fife James Oswald 71 father in law abt 1780 Abbotshall, Fife Ag lab Andw Turnbull 38 abt 1813 Monimail, Fife Occupation Journeyman joiner Isaac Turnbull 9 abt 1842 Dundee, Forfarshire Marjory Turnbull 15 abt 1836 Blairmore, Perthshire daughter Vere Turnbull 26 ************************************************** 1861 for Vere, Andrew and young Andrew I think !!!? Looks like Jane Millar has now taken her stepfathers surname... Name: Jane O Turnbull Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relationship: Daughter Father's name: Andrew Mother's name: Vera O Gender: Female Where born: Kirkcaldy, Fifeshire Registration Number: 692/2 Registration district: Leith South Civil parish: South Leith Town: Leith County: Midlothian Address: 27 Cables Wynd Occupation: Cowans Rag Work ED: 12 Page: 3 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 17 Line: 22 Roll: CSSCT1861_132 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Turnbull 48 abt 1813 Monimail, Fifeshire Occupation: Joiner (journeyman) Andrew Turnbull 8 abt 1853 Kirkcaldy, Fifeshire son Catherine Turnbull 2 abt 1858 Leith, Edinburgh daughter Jane O Turnbull 14 abt 1847 Kirkcaldy, Fifeshire daughter Occupation: Cowans Rag Work John Turnbull 4 abt 1857 Inveresk, Edinburgh son Vera O Turnbull 36 abt 1825 Lochgelly, Fifeshire ****************************************************** This could be Andrew on the 1891 census ..... all men lodging ... Name: Andrew Turnbull Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1856 Relation: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil parish: St George IN The East Ecclesiastical parish: St George in the East Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George In The East Sub-registration district: St George North ED, institution, or vessel: William John Cragg Registered Lodging House Occupation - Docker Marital status - down as s for single though **On the 1881 census what did the image say regarding her marital status ?? Please copy and paste the details from 1881 and 1891 on here ******************************************************* Pen x

Nick Frost ************* Wondering if this might be them on the 1851 - will view the image to confirm, Name: Alfred Frosh Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation: Son Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Branston, Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Kingswinford Ecclesiastical parish: Brierley Hill County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Stourbridge Sub-registration district: Kingswinford ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 75 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Frosh 13 son Sarah Frosh 40 abt 1811 Gumley, Leicestershire, England head Thomas Frosh 15 abt 1836 Branston, Northamptonshire, England son William Frosh 9 abt 1842 Branston, Northamptonshire, England son Image looks like Frost Address - looks like it could be Chappel Place Occupation of Sarah - Tailoress she is also a widow Thomas and Alfred are coal miners - william is down as At home Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2036; Folio: 275; Page: 23; GSU roll: 87443-87444. ******************************* 1861 Name: Alfred Frost Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Brisley Hill, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Spotland Ecclesiastical parish: Spotland St Clement Town: Rochdale County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Rochdale Sub-registration district: Spotland Further Side ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 21 Household Members: Name Age James Cudworth 7 abt 1854 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Son Mary Cudworth 31 abt 1830 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Wife Robt Cudworth 35 abt 1826 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Head Robt Cudworth 1 abt 1860 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Son Alfred Frost 23 abt 1838 Brisley Hill, Staffordshire, England Lodger William Frost 19 abt 1842 Brisley Hill, Staffordshire, England Boarder Thomas Vines 39 abt 1822 Hoyland, Yorkshire, England Lodger Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3041; Folio: 89; Page: 4; GSU roll: 543069. ****************************************************** 1891 - still in Lancashire - this looks like him ........ Name: Alfred Fross Age: 51 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: Daventry, Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Spotland Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement Town: Rochdale County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Rochdale Sub-registration district: Spotland Nearer Side ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alfred Fross 51 abt 1840 Daventry, Northamptonshire, England Head Eliza Fross 25 abt 1866 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Daughter Emily Fross 20 abt 1871 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Daughter Hannah Fross 54 abt 1837 Ireland Wife Harry Fross 21 abt 1870 Bideford, Devon, England Son ****************************************************** 1901 Name: Alfred Frost Age: 63 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation: Father-in-law Gender: Male Where born: Daventry, Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Poulton, Bare, and Torrisholme Ecclesiastical parish: Morecambe St Lawrence, Poulton le Sands Holy Trinity, and Scorton St Luke Town: Bare and Morecambe County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Lancaster Sub-registration district: Heaton ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 124 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Frost 63 Arnold Smith 4 abt 1897 Rochdale, Lancashire, England son Eliza Smith 32 abt 1869 Rochdale, Lancashire, England wife Ellis Smith 33 abt 1869 Rochdale, Lancashire, England head Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3986; Folio: 14; Page: 19. That should keep you busy for a while, lol. Pen x

Many Thanks for your kind offer, I am looking for information on my G G G G Grandmother, Her name was Vere Oswald and she was born in Lochgelly, Fife, Scotland in 1825 to Alexander Oswald and Mary black, she married in Kirkcaldy in 1851 Andrew Turnbull, and died in Edinburgh 1890. And also my G G G Grandfather Andrew turnbull (son of Vere and Andrew), he was born in Kirkcaldy c1854, sometime around the 1870's he moved down to England and settled around the East End where he married Elizabeth Lindsay in 1875 Poplar. He was a Seaman and i have found no info on him as in the 1881 census, elizabeth is at home alone with Elizabeth 5, Catherine 3, their is no info for him on the 1891 census either as Elizabeth is at home with, Elizabeth, Catherine(Kate), Margaret, Jane, Annie, May and Andrew.... I am assuming he is most likely away at sea. Many Thanks Debbie

Morning Pen I've decided to tackle this one by one so if you have a moment could you look up Alfred Frost - born 1837 in either Daventry, Northants or Dudley, Staffs. Wife Hannah, born 1835 in Ireland. I have the details from the 1841, 1871 and 1881 censuses (or is it censii?) thanks to you so would be grateful if you could fill in the gaps and check the '51, '61, '91 and 1901 or however many you have the time for. Thanks for all your help Nick

Dear Pen Happy New Year! Thanks for your help over the last year. Sorry I didn't reply sooner, but my internet connection needed fixing over Christmas. Anna

Thanks Pen......Lynn

Julie Potter ************** 1901 census Name: Janet M Potter Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1896 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Mary B Gender: Female Where born: Hadlow, Kent, England Civil parish: West Ham Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: Essex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: West Ham Sub-registration district: Plaistow ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Alexander R Potter abt 1890 Scotland Son Henry P S Potter abt 1892 Scotland Son Janet M Potter abt 1896 Hadlow, Kent, England Daughter Mary B Potter abt 1854 Scotland Wife Mary B Potter abt 1888 Scotland Daughter William Potter abt 1855 Scotland Head William F Potter abt 1885 Scotland Son Address - 216 Green Street Occupation of head of house - ********* manager provision factory Happy New Year Pen x

Hi Pen Could you please look on the 1901 census for William Potter his wife Mary and children William ,Alexander ,mary and Janet. All but Janet were born in Scotland but Janet was born in Hadlow England. Best wishes Julie

Debbi ******* Happy New Year x 1901 Name: Wilfred Chambers Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1893 Relation: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Brixton, London, England Civil parish: Deptford St Paul Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine Hatcham County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: Deptford, South ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 44 Household Members: Name Age Wilfred Chambers 8 Sidney White 7 abt 1894 Bow, London, England visitor Alice Wilson 16 abt 1885 Lee, London, England daughter Charles Wilson 14 abt 1887 Lee, London, England son Charles H Wilson 46 abt 1855 Greenwich, London, England head Mabel Wilson 10 abt 1891 Lee, London, England daughter Rachel E Wilson 36 abt 1865 Lewisham, London, England wife Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 532; Folio: 11; Page: 8. Pen x

Lynn Plant ************* Happy New Year x 1881 for my ref Name: Caroline Cuthbert Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Niece Gender: Female Where born: Irthlingboro, Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Irthlingborough County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Street address: Greens Row Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower) Education Registration district: Wellingborough Sub-registration district: Higham Ferrers ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Caroline Cuthbert 30 Charles Mayes Cuthbert 3 Wellingboro, Northamptonshire, England abt 1878 Rose Cuthbert 11 Arlington, Middlesex, England abt 1870 William J. F. Cuthbert 1 Joseph Freeman 53 Joseph Freeman 15 Irthlingboro, Northamptonshire, England abt 1866 ******************************************************** 1871 census Name: Caroline Cuthbert Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Boarder Gender: Female Where born: Irthlingborough, Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Irthlingborough Town: Irthlingborough County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Registration district: Wellingborough Sub-registration district: Higham Ferrers ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 201 Household Members: Name Age Caroline Cuthbert 20 abt 1851 Irthlingborough, Northamptonshire, England Boarder Rosetta Cuthbert 11 months abt 1870 Bothwell, Middlesex, England Boarder William Edens 29 abt 1842 Heston, Middlesex, England Boarder Georgianne Parson 19 abt 1852 Irthlingborough, Northamptonshire, England Wife William Parson 20 abt 1851 Irthlingborough, Northamptonshire Head Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1499; Folio: 76; Page: 35; GSU roll: 828803 Address - Bakehouse Lane ( no number given ) Occupation for William Eden - lab at furnace Occupation for Caroline - shoe closer *Wonder if William Eden was the father, he was from Middlesex. ALSO on the same page, living next door to them - George Cuthbert abt 1850 Irthlingborough, Northamptonshire, England Head Rhubin Cuthbert abt 1870 Irthlingborough, Northamptonshire, England Son Charles Cuthbert abt 1852 Irthlingborough, Northamptonshire, England Bo;l Sarah A Cuthbert abt 1851 Irthlingborough, Northamptonshire, England Wife ******************************************************* Pen x

Nick ***** Hi again, just got back in from lunch out - Sorry not had any luck with them, anymore info you can give me. Did we have them on the 1841? Pen x ***UPDATE yes, I remember them now from the 1841 they looked as if they were in a family** but not listed correctly with ancestry - will go back to my notes - Alfred Frost abt 1838 Northamptonshire, England Braunston Northamptonshire Edwin Frost abt 1834 Braunston Northamptonshire Thomas Frost abt 1836 Northamptonshire, England Braunston Northamptonshire ** Sarah Frost abt 1811 Braunston Northamptonshire Eliza Frost abt 1832 Braunston Northamptonshire Thomas Frost abt 1801 Northamptonshire, England Braunston Northamptonshire *****Could you please note that they were NOT neccesarily born in Braunston, that was the parish were the census was taken. I did looked for Leonard Frost on the 1901 but could not come up with anything, other than one with his parents born richdale 1891, lol. Sorry - still can not find them. Will come bck to this later Pen x

Hello Penelope Please could you look at the 1901 census and tell me all the people in this household. Visitor: Wilfred Chambers aged about 8 Family name: Wilson, living at 40 bennetts rd, deptford st paul. Many thanks Debbi

Hi Pen Happy New Year..please can you help with my Caroline Cuthbert ? this is her maiden name.... she was born Irthlingborough Northants 1850..... in 1881 she is given as widow living with her uncle Joseph Freeman in Irthlingborough she has three children with her all surname Cuthbert .the eldest Rose being born Middlesex 1870 ..can you find her in 1871 to see if i can find childrens father ! thanks for any HelpLynn

Hmmm - Thanks for that - I will have to try and find Leonard some other way. Could you also look up Eliza Frost - c. 1832 Edwin Frost - c 1834 - Braunston, Northants Thomas Frost - c. 1836 - Braunston, Northants in the 1851 and 1861 census thanks and have a lovely day. Nick

Added by Nicholas Frost on 01/01/2007 10:09:57 Happy New Year Pen - hope that your 2007 will be a happy and healthy one for you. I was wondering if you could look up in the 1901 census the following Harry Frost - born Bideford, Devon in around 1870 Harriet Frost (nee Rothwell) born c. 1867 Possible child Leonard Frost - born Rochdale, Lancs in 1897 Thank you!! ********************** Happy New Year !!! x 1901 - no child with them though - Name: Harry Frost Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1870 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Harriet Gender: Male Where born: Bideford, Devon, England Civil parish: Rochdale Ecclesiastical parish: Rochdale St Luke County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Rochdale Sub-registration district: Castleton Further ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 122 Household Members: Name Age Harriet Frost 36 abt 1865 Rochdale, Lancashire, England Wife Harry Frost 31 abt 1870 Bideford, Devon, England Head Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3832; Folio: 198; Page: 18. **************************************************** Address - 3 Cecil Street Occupation for Harry - Post office telegraph engineer (can just make out written/squished up Electr* Pen x

Thanks anyway for looking, I really appreciate it!

Happy New Year Pen - hope that your 2007 will be a happy and healthy one for you. I was wondering if you could look up in the 1901 census the following Harry Frost - born Bideford, Devon in around 1870 Harriet Frost (nee Rothwell) born c. 1867 Possible child Leonard Frost - born Rochdale, Lancs in 1897 Thank you!!

Lauren ********* Hi Lauren, Have checked the 1841 for Scotland (all -over) but can not find any possibles. Happy New Year Pen x