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Hi Pen Thanks for the help, I was told that Alice was born in Scotland but I could not find her either. I dont have the marriage date for Robert or Alice, and dont know what her parents names were. Roberts parents were Robert Kennaway and Margaret Trotter. Thanks again Best wishes Julie

1881 for my ref Name: John Roughton Age: 47 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: Kegworth, Leicestershire, England Civil parish: Alfreton County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street address: 54 Coupland Pl Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Coal Miner Registration district: Belper Sub-registration district: Alfreton ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Agnes Roughton 11 abt 1868 Somercotes, Derbyshire, England Son Arthur Roughton 13 Charles Roughton 18 abt 1863 Somercotes, Derbyshire, England Son Edith Roughton 2 Eliza Roughton 16 abt 1865 Somercotes, Derbyshire, England Daughter Ellen Roughton 8 Fanny M. Roughton 6 abt 1875 Somercotes, Derbyshire, England Hannah Roughton 44 John Roughton 47 Sarah H. Roughton 7 Back in a bit....

Hi Pen, Thankyou ever so much for the info, I do not have John and Hannah on the 1861 census but these were their children as far as i know. Elizabeth c1854, Mary c1856, Emily(Emelia) c1859, Hannah c1860, Charles c1862, Eliza c1865, Arthur c1868(mine), Agnes c1870, Ellen c1873, Sarah c1874, Fanny c1875, Edith c1879. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1881 census (have deleted the children as took up too much space) Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability John ROUGHTON Head M Male 47 Kegworth, Leicester, England Coal Miner Hannah ROUGHTON Wife M Female 44 Bleak Hall, Nottingham, England Source Information: Dwelling 54 Coupland Pl Census Place Alfreton, Derby, England Family History Library Film 1341817 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3416 / 92 Page Number 32 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Many Thanks again, Debbie

Debbie Joseph ****************** Added by Debbie Joseph on 04/01/2007 20:45:06 Hi Pen, Thanks for the offer, please could you see if their is any information 1841 / 1851 for John Roughton (c1832 Kegworth, Leicester) and Hannah Carlin (c1837 Bleak hall, Notts). They married sometime around c1854. And Jediah Riley c1839, son of Mary and Joseph, born Denby, Derbyshire. Many many Thanks Debbie ************************ Hi Debbie, there are some Roughton' on the 1841 in Leicester, but no John. Ann Roughton abt 1831 St Margaret With Bishops Fee Leicestershire Emily Roughton abt 1836 St Margaret With Bishops Fee Leicestershire Frances Roughton abt 1835 St Margaret With Bishops Fee Leicestershire James Roughton abt 1796 St Margaret With Bishops Fee Leicestershire Julia Roughton abt 1837 St Margaret With Bishops Fee Leicestershire Mary Roughton abt 1801 Leicestershire, England St Margaret With Bishops Fee Leicestershire Mary Roughton abt 1832 St Margaret With Bishops Fee Leicestershire ******************************************************* Two possibles on the 1851 census for Hannah - Name: Hannah Carlin Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: Eastwood, Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: Eastwood County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Basford Sub-registration district: Greasley ED, institution, or vessel: 6a Household schedule number: 3 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2125; Folio: 325; Page: 1; GSU roll: 87755. ************************* Name: Hannah Carlin Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Benjamin Gender: Female Where born: Greasley, Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: Greasley County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Basford Sub-registration district: Greasley ED, institution, or vessel: 5e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 48 Household Members: Name Age Benjamin Carlin 45 George Carlin 11 Hannah Carlin 13 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2125; Folio: 248; Page: 12; GSU roll: 87755. ******************************************************** Do you have them on the 1861 census? If yes can you supply the details please. Cheers pen x Can't spot their marriage yet ******************************************************** 2nd look up 1841 census Hannah Larey abt 1828 Derbyshire, England Barrow Upon Trent Derbyshire Caroline Riley abt 1837 Derbyshire, England Barrow Upon Trent Derbyshire Jederah Riley abt 1840 Derbyshire, England Barrow Upon Trent Derbyshire Joseph Riley abt 1803 Derbyshire, England Barrow Upon Trent Derbyshire Mary Riley abt 1803 Derbyshire, England Barrow Upon Trent Derbyshire Name: Jederah Riley Age: 8 Mo Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Derbyshire, England Civil parish: Barrow Upon Trent Hundred: Morlestone and Litchurch County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Source information: HO107/188/12 Registration district: Belper Sub-registration district: Horsley ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 25 Page: 17 (click to see others on page) Line number: 11 GSU Number: 241292 ****************************************************** 1851 census Name: Jedidiah Riley Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Relation: Son Father's name: Joseph Mother's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Denby, Derbyshire, England Civil parish: Denby County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Registration district: Belper Sub-registration district: Duffield ED, institution, or vessel: 8b Household schedule number: 51 Household Members: Name Age Hannah Lacy 23 abt 1828 Wifes Daur (Step Daughter Caroline Riley 14 abt 1837 daughter Denby, Derbyshire, England Hiram Riley 5 abt 1847 Denby, Derbyshire, England son James Riley 7 abt 1844 Denby, Derbyshire, England daughter Jedidiah Riley 11 Joseph Riley 46 abt 1805 Denby, Derbyshire, Engl head Joseph Riley 10 abt 1841 Denby, Derbyshire, England son Mary Riley 42 abt 1809 Cotrtmanhay, Derbyshire, England wife Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2144; Folio: 421; Page: 14; GSU roll: 87775. Pen x will back this afternoon

sorry - you're quite right - it was late at night here and I had been trawling for hours so wasn't thinking straight... thanks Nick

Hi Pen, Thanks for the offer, please could you see if their is any information 1841 / 1851 for John Roughton (c1832 Kegworth, Leicester) and Hannah Carlin (c1837 Bleak hall, Notts). They married sometime around c1854. And Jediah Riley c1839, son of Mary and Joseph, born Denby, Derbyshire. Many many Thanks Debbie

Still looking for you Alison x

Penelope, Thanks for looking. I have had another look at my certificates and I think I have been barking up th wrong tree at some point. I am now going with the marriage cert as I think that is more reliable, and I may have got the wrong birth cert. John Charles Johnson age 29, boot maker, father Thomas Johnson, Dipper, married Elizabeth Boswell age 19, father Richard Boswell, on 7th February 1886 in Birmingham The 1891 census info I have is 1891 census Elizabeth Johnson abt 1867 Birmingham Wife Birmingham Warwickshire Francis A Johnson abt 1890 Birmingham Son Birmingham Warwickshire View Record John Johnson abt 1886 Birmingham Son Birmingham Warwickshire View Record John C Johnson abt 1859 Birmingham Head Birmingham Warwickshire View Record John C Johnson abt 1889 Birmingham Son Birmingham Warwickshire Address: 5 Court, 11 House, Blucher Street Head's occ: Pressman Boot Trade Can you get me any further back from this info. Thanks Alison

Added by Julie Potter on 04/01/2007 17:52:24 Hi Pen Could you please look for the Family Kennaway Lillian Kennaway born 1900 Bristol Avon England and her parents Robert Kennaway b1875 Edinburgh,Scotland and Alice Truman b1875 Scotland. I know that Alice had at least 5 siblings born in England. Any info on this family in any of the census welcome and thanks with the help on Potter Family the right one Best wishes Julie *********************************************************************** 1901 census for England This looks like it might be them, mistranscribed.... Name: Lillian C Hannaway Age: 6 months Estimated birth year: abt 1900 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Alice W Gender: Female Where born: Bristol Civil parish: Bristol Ecclesiastical parish: St Agnes County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Bristol Sub-registration district: St Paul ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 58 Household Members: Name Age Louisa Bowen 46 Alice W Hannaway 24 abt 1877 Bristol, wife Alice W Hannaway 3 abt 1898 Leith, Midlothian (Edinburgh), Scotland daughter Christina M Hannaway 1 abt 1900 Bristol, daughter Katherine J Hannaway 8 abt 1893 Leith, Midlothian (Edinburgh), Scotland sister Lillian C Hannaway 6 months daughter Robert Hannaway 25 abt 1876 Leith, Midlothian (Edinburgh), Scotland head Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2375; Folio: 127; Page: 10. **************************************************** Have you their marriage cert yet? There are 2 possibles for Alice Trueman on the 1891 census in Bristol - but you will need her marriage cert with her fathers name on to confirm which. Where did the info regarding birthplace for Alice, scotland, come from please? Pen x This is the marriage cert info from the BMD - so they married in England. Have you tried Scotlands People for Robert ? Marriage Name: Alice Winniefred Truman Year of Registration: 1897 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Bristol County: Avon, Gloucestershire Volume: 6a Page: 7 (click to see others on page Name: Robert Kennaway Year of Registration: 1897 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Bristol County: Avon, Gloucestershire Volume: 6a Page: 7 (click to see others on page

Thanks very much Pen!

Hi Pen Glad you had a good time Yes that's Daniel l was hoping he was on the 71 Just going for my tea be back in 15 mins Regards Pam

Added by Pam Logan-Powney on 04/01/2007 17:24:01 Hi Pen Hope you had a good xmas and new year Could you please have a look on the 1871 for Daniel Logan born 1851/2 l have him on the 61 lodging with William White and wife Sarah l also have him on the 81 married to Rebecca plus all the other census's l have a feeling he couldn't be found but can l make sure as l am writing up my record books now on him. Sorry to be a pain Regards Pam **************************************************** Hi Pam Thank you, we had a lovely christmas. Happy New Year to you and yours x 1861 for my ref Name: Daniel Logan Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Household schedule number: 42 Household Members: Name Age Daniel Logan 10 Elizth Thacker 61 abt 1800 MIL Whitehaven, Cumberland, England Georgina White 6 Mo Sarah White 33 abt 1828 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England William White 32 abt 1829 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England ***UPDATE Sorry unable to spot him. Must of come along after the census of 51 and before the end of 1852. Take care Pen x

Added by Anna Taylor on 04/01/2007 12:11:28 Hello again Pen Could you please look up in the 1891 and 1901 Clara Dray born c.1849 in Guildford Surrey? She should be with husband William. Thanks, Anna ************************************************* Hi Anna 1901 Name: Clara Dray Age: 52 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: William E Gender: Female Where born: Guildford, Surrey, England Civil parish: Stoke Within Ecclesiastical parish: Stoke St John Town: Guildford County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Guildford Sub-registration district: Guildford ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 221 Household Members: Name Age Clara Dray 52 Edith Dray 11 abt 1890 Guildford, Surrey, England daughter John Dray 19 abt 1882 Guildford, Surrey, England son William Dray 20 abt 1881 Guildford, Surrey, England son William E Dray 49 abt 1852 head Heathfield Sussex head Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 603; Folio: 20; Page: 31. ************************ 1891 Name: Edith Dray Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1890 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Clare Gender: Female Where born: Guildford, Surrey, England Civil parish: Stoke Ecclesiastical parish: Stoke County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Guildford Sub-registration district: Guildford ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household Members: Name Age Clare Dray 47 abt 1844 Guildford, Surrey, England wife Edith Dray 1 Ernest E Dray 13 abt 1878 Guildford, Surrey, England son Frances Dray 11 abt 1880 Guildford, Surrey, England daughter Kitey Dray 4 abt 1887 Guildford, Surrey, England daughter William Dray 39 abt 1852 Heathfield, Surrey, England head William Dray 10 abt 1881 Guildford, Surrey, England son Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 559; Folio 86; Page 8; GSU roll: 6095669. Pen x

Hi Pen Could you please look for the Family Kennaway Lillian Kennaway born 1900 Bristol Avon England and her parents Robert Kennaway b1875 Edinburgh,Scotland and Alice Truman b1875 Scotland. I know that Alice had at least 5 siblings born in England. Any info on this family in any of the census welcome and thanks with the help on Potter Family the right one Best wishes Julie

Nick Frost ************* Hi Nick... I think you must of forgotten that I sent you this info before, have copied and pasted it below for you. Added By Penelope Pit Stop on 02/01/2007 12:25:47 ************************************************************* Wondering if this might be them on the 1851 - will view the image to confirm, Name: Alfred Frosh Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relation: Son Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Branston, Northamptonshire, England Civil parish: Kingswinford Ecclesiastical parish: Brierley Hill County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Stourbridge Sub-registration district: Kingswinford ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 75 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Frosh 13 son Sarah Frosh 40 abt 1811 Gumley, Leicestershire, England head Thomas Frosh 15 abt 1836 Branston, Northamptonshire, England son William Frosh 9 abt 1842 Branston, Northamptonshire, England son Image looks like Frost Address - looks like it could be Chappel Place Occupation of Sarah - Tailoress she is also a widow Thomas and Alfred are coal miners - william is down as At home Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2036; Folio: 275; Page: 23; GSU roll: 87443-87444. *************************************************** You will have to look through the Death index images on Ancestry for the death of Thomas Frost senior - between 1841 -51. Can not find Sarah on the 61, so you will need to look for her death between - 1851-61. Pen x

Hi Pen Hope you had a good xmas and new year Could you please have a look on the 1871 for Daniel Logan born 1851/2 l have him on the 61 lodging with William White and wife Sarah l also have him on the 81 married to Rebecca plus all the other census's l have a feeling he couldn't be found but can l make sure as l am writing up my record books now on him. Sorry to be a pain Regards Pam

Tracy Cuncliffe ****************** 1871 Name: Ester Foster Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1855 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Rodger Mother's name: Grace Gender: Female Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Preston Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Preston ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 272 Household Members: Name Age Ester Foster 16 Grace Foster 41 abt 1830 Warrington, Lancashire, England wife Mary Ann Foster Preston, Lancashire, England daughter Rodger Foster 47 abt 1824 Preston, Lancashire, England head Alice Wilkinson 17 abt 1854 Preston, Lancashire, England daughter Grace Wilkinson 5 abt 1866 Preston, Lancashire, England daughter Jennet Wilkinson 11 abt 1860 Preston, Lancashire, England John Alexander Wilkinson 9 abt 1862 Preston, Lancashire, Engla son Mary Ellen Wilkinson 14 abt 1857 Preston, Lancashire, England daughter Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4202; Folio: 68; Page: 46; GSU roll: 846950 ****************************************************** 1861 Name: Roger Foster Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Preston Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Preston County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Preston ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 234 Household Members: Name Age Esther Foster 5 John Foster 18 abt 1843 Preston, Lancashire, England son Mary A Foster 12 abt 1849 Preston, Lancashire, England daug Roger Foster 35 abt 1826 Preston, Lancashire, England ****************************************************** 1851 - Maybe the 1st Esther died and your one was named after her... Name: Roger Foster Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Preston Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Preston ED, institution, or vessel: 1c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Edward Durham 12 abt 1839 Preston, Lancashire, England stepson Elizabeth Foster 33 abt 1818 Langridge, Lancashire, England wife Esther Foster 8 Mo abt 1850 Preston, Lancashire, England daug John Foster 6 abt 1845 Preston, Lancashire, England son Mary Ann Foster 2 abt 1849 Preston, Lancashire, England Roger Foster 26 abt 1825 Preston, Lancashire, England head Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2265; Folio: 82; Page: 4; GSU roll: 87290. ******************************************************* 1st Esther Birth entry Name: Esther Foster Year of Registration: 1850 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Preston County: Lancashire Volume: 21 Page: 667 (click to see others on page) 2nd Esther Birth entry Name: Esther Foster Year of Registration: 1855 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Preston County: Lancashire Volume: 8e Page: 478 (click to see others on page) Possible death of 1st Esther Name: Esther Foster Year of Registration: 1852 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Preston County: Lancashire Volume: 8e Page: 308 (click to see others on page) Pen x

Hello again Pen Could you please look up in the 1891 and 1901 Clara Dray born c.1849 in Guildford Surrey? She should be with husband William. Thanks, Anna

Morning Ms Pit Stop Certainly beginning to make some progress here - with a great deal of thanks to you and your nimble fingers. Today's Ancestor is Thomas Frost - born in Northamptonshire in 1801, married to Sarah ?? from Gumley, Leicestershire (b.1811)and they had 5 children Eliza Frost – b.1832 ?? Edwin Frost – b.1834 – ?? Thomas Frost – b.1836 – Braunston, Northamptonshire Alfred Frost – b.1837 – Daventry, Northamptonshire William Frost - b.1842 - Braunston, Northamptonshire although those places of birth may or may not be correct (I'm learning!!) The only info I have is he was a smithy on the 1841 census, and living in Daventry. Any info you can find will be great - couldn't find him or Sarah on the 1881 census. Thanks and have a lovely day Nick

Tracy Cuncliffe ** message 2 This looks like his grandmother on the 1861 - with his grandfather etc and I think it's also him, himself, lol x Name: Sarah Gregory Age: 68 Estimated birth year: abt 1793 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Robert Gender: Female Where born: Manningford, Wiltshire, England Civil parish: Rushall County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Registration district: Pewsey Sub-registration district: Netheravon ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Ann Gregory 38 abt 1823 Rushall, Wiltshire, England daughter John Gregory 11 abt 1850 Rushall, Wiltshire, England Robert Gregory 69 Rushall, Wiltshire, England head Sarah Gregory 68 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1307; Folio: 69; Page: 2; GSU roll: 542793. ******************************************************* 1851 Name: Ann Gregory Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Sarah Gender: Female Where born: Rushall, Wiltshire, England Civil parish: Rushall County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Registration district: Pewsey Sub-registration district: Netheravon ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Ann Gregory 28 Rushall, Wiltshire, Engl abt 1823 daughter John Gregory 1 Rushall, Wiltshire, England abt 1850 grandson Mary Gregory 19 Rushall, Wiltshire, England abt 1832 daughter Robert Gregory 59 Rushall, Wiltshire, England abt 1792 head Sarah Gregory 58 abt 1793 Manningford Abbots, Wiltshire, England Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1844; Folio: 94; Page: 14; GSU roll: 220991 *********** From BMD BIRTH Name: Sidney John Edward Gregory Year of Registration: 1849 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Pewsey County: Wiltshire Volume: 8 Page: 375 (click to see others on page) Pen x