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But when you do have the info, do you think this could be the family in the 1841 English census? Name: Janet Morrow Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1832 Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Liverpool Hundred: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Source information: HO107/560/11 Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Folio: 22 Page: 36 (click to see others on page) Line number: 7 GSU Number: 306942 Mhairi If Janet Morson from Campsie is not your Janet, then where does she go after 1861? I've become rather attached to her in the time we have been searching...may just have to look into her whereabouts. Just to satisfy my own curiosity

Hey Jan What a great find and i think its great that your going to take the time and effort to check all the information given to you. There are a few out there that would just take the info as is and not bother. So well done. Will wait to pass judgement on the info as i dont wont to throw a spanner in the works at the moment till you have dates/places ect. Waiting semi patiently for the next update Mhairi

Hi Mhairi Nice to see you on the boards again :) I have some dates etc (Information via Alan) Janet Morrison was born in OLD KILPATRICK, daughter of Andrew Morrison and Margaret Drew (this is a bit strange because throughout the census's Janet puts her birth place as Scotland except in one where she puts Camsee as place of birth) ANDREW MORRISON born abt 4. Mar 1804 in Old Kipatrick, Dunbartonshire, Scotland MARGARET DREW Born: abt 8 Mar 1804 in New Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire, Scotland Marriage: 30 Nov 1827 in Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton Children: MARGARET 6 Sept 1834 in Middle Par, Greenock, Renfrewshire. ELIZA 16 Nov 1835 in Liverpool, West Derby, Lancashire JANET abt 1838 in Old Kilpatrick JAMES abt 1838 in Liverpool, West Derby Lancs ANDREW AGNEW 6 Oct 1839 in Liverpool I'm off to filter through some more of the things that Alan sent, I'll add stuff as I come across it. Bye for now Jan x

ELIZABETH MORRISON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 06 DEC 1835 Oldham Street Presbyterian, Liverpool, Lancashire, England ANDREW AGNEW MORRISON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 03 NOV 1839 Oldham Street Presbyterian, Liverpool, Lancashire, England JANE AGNESS MORRISON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 12 DEC 1841 Oldham Street Presbyterian, Liverpool, Lancashire, England 1841 census Andrew Morrow abt 1806 Scotland Liverpool Lancashire Andrew Morrow abt 1840 Lancashire, England Liverpool Lancashire Elizabeth Morrow abt 1836 Lancashire, England Liverpool Lancashire James Drew Morrow abt 1838 Lancashire, England Liverpool Lancashire Janet Morrow abt 1832 Scotland Liverpool Lancashire Margret Morrow abt 1811 Scotland Liverpool Lancashire Margret Morrow abt 1830 Scotland Liverpool Lancashire So by the looks of it Andrew and Margaret moved down to Liverpool after 1834 and before the end of the year in 1835 Mhairi

Hi Mhairi (again) Just went back and re-read your reply (I'm useless at remembering what's been said) If the Janet that Alan has is THE Janet then I will also be really sad to see her go. Alan hasn't found Janet's birth certificate . He has her birth as being about 1838, where as every census we have found lists her as being c.1836. I know census's are known for transcription errors etc, but this year of birth has never changed. The only thing that we have that is at variance with the census's is her death cert in 1905, which lists her age as 66, the same age as she lists 4 years earlier in the 1901 census. In favour of Alan's version of events is the fact that he has 20 years worth of diary's from his grandfather. This chap knew the Scottish family as far as I can remember of what Alan said. HOWEVER Alan also says that his grandfather called Janet, 'MAWSON' .............Makes you think really, doesn't it I haven't lost the Campsie connection with my family though. I been researching other parts of the tree whilst I was waiting for certificates and information on the Morrison/Morson thing and it turns out that just about every branch spends time in Campsie. I have to go for now. I had visitors turn up half an hour ago and they will need to be entertained for a little while at least (they've very kindly made me a cup of coffee to tempt me away from the computer). I'm glad you approve of me not taking things at face value, I thought people would think I was being a bit fussy, but I feel that I have been really careful about collecting and verifiying evidence so far and I really don't want to spoil all the hard work that so many of us have put into this by finishing it off with unsubstantiated research. I will add some of the things that Alan sent, because he has supporting evidence (birth cert etc of his great grandfather Edward Birkett etc) Take care Jan x

1851 Name: Andrew Morrison Age: 47 Estimated birth year: abt 1804 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil parish: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: West Derby ED, institution, or vessel: 1k Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 105 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Morrison 47 - Head Andrew Morrison 11 - Son - Liverpool Eliza Morrison 15 - Daughter - Liverpool James Morrison 13 - Son - Liverpool Janet Morrison 19 - Daughter - Scotland Margaret Morrison 45 - Wife - Scotland Margaret Morrison 21 - Daughter - Scotland

What we really need, is a marriage cert! Think i've found the same Morrison family in the 1861 though what it shows kinda messes things up again Name: Andrew Morrison Age: 49 Estimated birth year: abt 1812 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Landican County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Wirral Sub-registration district: Woodchurch ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Robert Maxton 31 - Servant Andrew Morrison 49 - Head (famer of 100 acres) Andrew Morrison 22 - Son James Morrison 24 - Son Janet Morrison 28 - Daughter (widowed) Margaret Morrison 50 - Wife Bridget Toole 23 - Servant Mhairi

Hi Mhairi You know the more I look at this Janet the less likely she seems as a fit for our Janet. None of it makes sense. The Janet Morrison that you and Janice found Campsie 1836 at least fitted the facts even if we couldn't find her marriage and the birth of John Jnr. IF Janice was right and John Snr married Jane Whaitson/Wadeson some time after the 1951 census, and IF John and Jane subsequently broke up and he got together with Janet pre 1861 census, and IF he never managed to divorce Jane. I would make sense that he a Janet could have lived together as man and wife. Who, in England, was going to question a marriage and birth that took place in Scotland. As far as I know you didn't have to produce a marriage certificate to register a birth in England. I think, on balance that I am, willing to accept the Birkett side of Alan's tree (provided that I can prove it) but I really do think that our Campsie Janet Morrison is the most likely. And anyway if the family you found in 1861 is Janet's there is the problem of her being in two different places at once. And another thing, if Janet was born in Old Kirkpatrick why would she say Campsie. Are the two places near one another? I know when I tell people that I was born in Jarrow, if they haven't heard of Jarrow I just say 'near Newcastle', and they go away with the impression that I'm from Newcastle, could that be the case here? I am going to add all the stuff that Alan added about his great grandfather EDWARD BIRKETT, because I know that that is correct, I have my own evidence to support it but I reserving jugdement on the rest Anyway, for now, the hunt goes on Jan:)